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Just now, Mounts Kipper said:

Its on tv every day, bbc news, itv news, sky news, it’s at every sky match I watch, i think folk are very aware of racism, obviously not you though.  

Having something rammed down your throat suggests it's uncomfortable for you. Does 5 seconds at the start of a football match really have that much of a negative effect on your life?

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4 minutes ago, Ani said:

Do not get me started on pitch side advertising. Oscar ? Who the fuck are they. 

Slave traders mate. Slave traders.

Bit of a piss take its allowed given the current climate.

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27 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Indeed, but nah, a bunch of white middle aged blokes know better.

Think you, and plenty others are completely missing the point.

Nobody is saying racism doesnt exist, and isnt a problem in parts of society.

What Birch is trying to get across is that cold hard data suggests systematic racism isnt as high as political movements like BLM suggest that it is.

Unfortunate, diabolical events that Rudy has faced are dispicable and should never happen, however no amount of kneeling at football matches will stop Neanderthals finding race as a way to insulting somone.

Everybody in this forum is behind tackling racism. Especially in football. But racism in football isnt imo systematic. Isolated incidents of players getting abuse in the modern era is sad, however Id say few and far between.

Like traf says, lets tackle whatever issues need tackling off the pitch.

Kneeling is making the situation worse and adding to the polarisation of the issue.

And before I get accused of being a middle ages white bloke who doesnt have a clue, my brothers wife is black, her kids and family are too.

They too have faced incidents like rudys, however have they faced a disadvantage in life, career, school, football, universities etc? 

Without a doubt no they havent. 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, DazBob said:

And there we have it. Another who thinks players kneeling for 5 seconds is "ramming it down his throat ". Jesus H Christ.

Precisely, the long suffering white middle aged man and those intolerable anti-racist gestures they have to put up with for 10 seconds on a Saturday.

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8 minutes ago, DazBob said:

Having something rammed down your throat suggests it's uncomfortable for you. Does 5 seconds at the start of a football match really have that much of a negative effect on your life?

yes, I don’t go to football for to be educated or made aware of the worlds injustices I go to be entertained, to escape from the problems we face in the world.

if I want to get involved I’d go to an organisation and event that supports that particular campaign, football runs a year round kick racism out campaign and that should be enough. 

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13 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Think you, and plenty others are completely missing the point.

Nobody is saying racism doesnt exist, and isnt a problem in parts of society.

What Birch is trying to get across is that cold hard data suggests systematic racism isnt as high as political movements like BLM suggest that it is.

Unfortunate, diabolical events that Rudy has faced are dispicable and should never happen, however no amount of kneeling at football matches will stop Neanderthals finding race as a way to insulting somone.

Everybody in this forum is behind tackling racism. Especially in football. But racism in football isnt imo systematic. Isolated incidents of players getting abuse in the modern era is sad, however Id say few and far between.

Like traf says, lets tackle whatever issues need tackling off the pitch.

Kneeling is making the situation worse and adding to the polarisation of the issue.

And before I get accused of being a middle ages white bloke who doesnt have a clue, my brothers wife is black, her kids and family are too.

They too have faced incidents like rudys, however have they faced a disadvantage in life, career, school, football, universities etc? 

Without a doubt no they havent. 

 

 

What does she think of players taking the knee getting booed?

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8 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

yes, I don’t go to football for to be educated or made aware of the worlds injustices I go to be entertained, to escape from the problems we face in the world.

if I want to get involved I’d go to an organisation and event that supports that particular campaign, football runs a year round kick racism out campaign and that should be enough. 

Well tough shit. Sometimes we all have to make sacrifices for the greater good, sound familiar?

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1 minute ago, royal white said:

I’d be a bit mystified if I was one of our many Indian/Pakistani fans. For many years they have had abuse slung their way and not much seems to have been done. Some fella gets killed in the states and now all the players are kneeling. 

You know I think a question that BLM should be asked is how they become inclusive to to other minorities. It is an obvious gap. 
Are you saying that a significant reason people are not supporting is the above ? I do not think it is. 

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17 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

yes, I don’t go to football for to be educated or made aware of the worlds injustices I go to be entertained, to escape from the problems we face in the world.

if I want to get involved I’d go to an organisation and event that supports that particular campaign, football runs a year round kick racism out campaign and that should be enough. 

Would you boo ? 

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2 minutes ago, royal white said:

I’d be a bit mystified if I was one of our many Indian/Pakistani fans. For many years they have had abuse slung their way and not much seems to have been done. Some fella gets killed in the states and now all the players are kneeling. 

Taking the knee is an Anti-racism message so all ethnic minorities are covered.

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Just now, Ani said:

You know I think a question that BLM should be asked is how they become inclusive to to other minorities. It is an obvious gap. 
Are you saying that a significant reason people are not supporting is the above ? I do not think it is. 

It'll be a convenient excuse for some though. Possibly.

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I always thought there were very few WW posters I wouldn't share a few beers with.  This thread,  since @Rudywrote his excellent and thought provoking post I'm really not sure.  One of our own telling us his experiences and how he fears for his own children's future is being argued against? Really! 

One or two of you ought to take a long hard look at yourselves and ask if you couldn't just occasionally show a bit of humility rather than play at being "one of the lads".

When you act the prick around your mates take note; have a look around.  Do they secretly recoil in horror at your attempt at being "one of the lads"? We aren't in the 1970s any more. It's time you moved on with the majority of us. 

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3 minutes ago, Ani said:

You know I think a question that BLM should be asked is how they become inclusive to to other minorities. It is an obvious gap. 
Are you saying that a significant reason people are not supporting is the above ? I do not think it is. 

People see the kneeling as support for BLM. Many have seen what the BLM movement did this summer and are therefore against it. 
 

Kick it out was for all races and religions, so why change it? 

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there clearly needs to be a clear statement that taking the knee is anti-racism and not BLM, as it seems that's one of the key things that stops folk getting on board, because, everyone should be anti-racism - the events of this year understandably have mixed things up a bit due to the sequence of events - but, this year has also led folk to say "enough is enough, it's now time to make a stand"

there's still a lot of "yes, but" responses to it

so, I assume if the message is clear, most will get behind it?

and if you won't, would you still boo it, and why?

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3 minutes ago, MickyD said:

I always thought there were very few WW posters I wouldn't share a few beers with.  This thread,  since @Rudywrote his excellent and thought provoking post I'm really not sure.

shame on your Micky, did you not know he was black till now?

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2 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

there clearly needs to be a clear statement that taking the knee is anti-racism and not BLM, as it seems that's one of the key things that stops folk getting on board, because, everyone should be anti-racism - the events of this year understandably have mixed things up a bit due to the sequence of events - but, this year has also led folk to say "enough is enough, it's now time to make a stand"

there's still a lot of "yes, but" responses to it

so, I assume if the message is clear, most will get behind it?

and if you won't, would you still boo it, and why?

It needs the FA, clubs, players and media to say that the kneeling in no way supports the BLM movement but is a show of solidarity to all races and religions. If they do this they may get more folk on side. 

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4 minutes ago, royal white said:

People see the kneeling as support for BLM. Many have seen what the BLM movement did this summer and are therefore against it. 
 

Kick it out was for all races and religions, so why change it? 

Would you support players taking a knee if it was under the banner Kick it Out ? 
Would you currently boo BLM ? 

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1 minute ago, Ani said:

Would you support players taking a knee if it was under the banner Kick it Out ? 
Would you currently boo BLM ? 

My previous post covers most of that. Yes I would. Let’s kick all racism out. 
 

Instead of booing I will stand on my chair, cup my mouth so it’s louder and shout kick it out 

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2 minutes ago, royal white said:

My previous post covers most of that. Yes I would. Let’s kick all racism out. 
 

Instead of booing I will stand on my chair, cup my mouth so it’s louder and shout kick it out 

Yeah they crossed. 
 

Remembering the cupping is essential. 

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This isn’t about folk saying racism is ok. It’s really not. I would be disgusted if anyone on here felt racism was ok. 
 

Put the booing to one side as nobody is saying on here that they would boo or the booing is ok (I don’t think), this is about people’s perception , which they’re entitled to , about what the taking the knee gesture symbolizes and stands for. I strongly associate the gesture with the nonsense we saw in the summer and since. There isn’t anyone can tell me I’m not allowed that opinion because it’s just that , my opinion, and it’s shared by a large number of people. Given that it’s shared by so many there has to be an acceptance that the gesture to many is tainted. 
 

it’s sad in modern society that anyone should be targeted because of their skin color or race. And I absolutely applaud you @Rudy for writing that post and sharing those experiences mate. It’s sharing things like this that will

make a difference and hopefully make someone somewhere think twice. It’s about promoting awareness and positive change. It’s clear that this gesture isn’t promoting positive change, it hasn’t since it started and it won’t do either. 

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4 minutes ago, MickyD said:

I always thought there were very few WW posters I wouldn't share a few beers with.  This thread,  since @Rudywrote his excellent and thought provoking post I'm really not sure.  One of our own telling us his experiences and how he fears for his own children's future is being argued against? Really! 

One or two of you ought to take a long hard look at yourselves and ask if you couldn't just occasionally show a bit of humility rather than play at being "one of the lads".

When you act the prick around your mates take note; have a look around.  Do they secretly recoil in horror at your attempt at being "one of the lads"? We aren't in the 1970s any more. It's time you moved on with the majority of us. 

Not sure who that post is aimed at but from all the posts I have read no one is arguing that racism isn’t an issue, and that kids shouldn’t have to fear for their future, and I can’t remember anyone justifying racism as just lads being lads, the issue raised is the need for players to take the knee at every match for ever going forward, the issue is that BLM are part of a wider anti police, anti government, anarchic and ultra left wing organisation, one that trashed shops & businesses across the US and trashed monuments and rioted over summer here in the U.K. wrongly or rightly Millwall fans took the knee as support of those actions and the only way they could vent those frustrations was booing taking the knee. 

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