miamiwhite Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Ani said: In any movement there will be people with different views and opinions. There is IMO a difference between a large corporate such as SKY getting all over BLM as though it is the best thing since BLT. Than someone hearing the message ‘black lives matter’ and that resonating. I would be amazed if the majority of people who argued against BLM differentiated between that and blm. A few like Miami did. But I doubt the lad in Burnley who flew the plane over the Etihad was overly concerned about the politics of the West Bank. Thank you sir, well spotted and realised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Moderators Zico Posted July 2, 2020 Moderators Share Posted July 2, 2020 I'm all for the BLM message, calling out racism and trying to be proactively anti racist but "defunding" the police and shutting down prisons? fuck off, they're just copying America coudln't really give a shit about Israel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 18 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: I'm all for the BLM message, calling out racism and trying to be proactively anti racist but "defunding" the police and shutting down prisons? fuck off, they're just copying America coudln't really give a shit about Israel The prison thing and defunding the Police is a funny one. I think the idea is you spend more on tackling the causes of crime so you need less police and prisons. However whenever anyone spouts this there is never an realistic plan on how you get from today to tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted July 2, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted July 2, 2020 I was barely arsed when it all started I can’t think of anything I want to discuss less. As for defunding police. Fucking Nora. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Ani said: The prison thing and defunding the Police is a funny one. I think the idea is you spend more on tackling the causes of crime so you need less police and prisons. However whenever anyone spouts this there is never an realistic plan on how you get from today to tomorrow. "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" Tony Blair. Right then. Right now. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted July 2, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted July 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Ani said: The prison thing and defunding the Police is a funny one. I think the idea is you spend more on tackling the causes of crime so you need less police and prisons. However whenever anyone spouts this there is never an realistic plan on how you get from today to tomorrow. Crime won't crack itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted July 2, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted July 2, 2020 9 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime" Tony Blair. Right then. Right now. 🙂 Give yourself a big pat on the backing for squeezing Tony Blair & right into the same sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Ani said: The prison thing and defunding the Police is a funny one. I think the idea is you spend more on tackling the causes of crime so you need less police and prisons. However whenever anyone spouts this there is never an realistic plan on how you get from today to tomorrow. Like any socialist flawed idea! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Spider said: I was barely arsed when it all started I can’t think of anything I want to discuss less. As for defunding police. Fucking Nora. Defunding the police (like lots of the BLM arguments) is very yank centric and doesn't work in the UK. Where cops have been being defunded by the Tories for around 10yrs now. In the US cops get shit loads of money and military grade equipment thrown at them and very little training or oversight in what to do with them. Mental health, addiction support and other help for factors behind what drives people to crime are only for those with jobs/money to get health insurance. The defund cops angle works along the lines of stop giving police all the money and fund services to help folk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 2, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted July 2, 2020 Police funding does need to go up- get more numbers, but by the fuck, much of the ethos has to change. Spend less time having to pander to perceived public sensitivities, and get out and do some proper policing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 6 hours ago, London Wanderer said: Sorry mate but I don't see that... This thread is titled BLM & in neither your first post, & then your second directed at me, did you say you were talking about BLMuk exclusively. So what exactly am I not reading correctly? Many of the players and clubs would also have been supporting the American movement. Why should the Premier league be supporting a movement in America? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Police funding does need to go up- get more numbers, but by the fuck, much of the ethos has to change. Spend less time having to pander to perceived public sensitivities, and get out and do some proper policing. Amazing policing work with the mass arrests of drug dealers today. Good to see some of their quality investigative work in the news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 (edited) 33 minutes ago, royal white said: Why should the Premier league be supporting a movement in America? Why not? - PL is a global corporation. They have their own agenda to combat racism and wanted to show support. Edited July 2, 2020 by London Wanderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 2, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted July 2, 2020 Just now, London Wanderer said: Amazing policing work with the mass arrests of drug dealers today. Good to see some of their quality investigative work in the news. Absolutely. Unfortunately, for me there is insufficient resource put into minor stuff, which enables participants to feel untouchable and grow in criminality. Partly due to numbers and partly due to ridiculous levels of paperwork and being seen to be doing the right things. Fundamental things like communication etc need big improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said: Absolutely. Unfortunately, for me there is insufficient resource put into minor stuff, which enables participants to feel untouchable and grow in criminality. Partly due to numbers and partly due to ridiculous levels of paperwork and being seen to be doing the right things. Fundamental things like communication etc need big improvement. I don’t think it’s about numbers, more ethos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 2, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted July 2, 2020 Just now, boltondiver said: I don’t think it’s about numbers, more ethos It is in part, but being allowed to police properly would free up a lot of time. They're demoralised and beleaguered and I have some sympathy. Unfortunately, from personal dealings over recent times, it also seems to have created a bit of a "can't be arsed" mentality which isn't acceptable, even if it is understandable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 21 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: Why not? - PL is a global corporation. They have their own agenda to combat racism and wanted to show support. Because the American movement has a political motive Their own agenda for years has been the kick it out campaign, why not just stick with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted July 2, 2020 Share Posted July 2, 2020 Defunding the police, what a ridiculous idea. Oh hang on, the Tories have already done it. Next! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted July 3, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted July 3, 2020 11 hours ago, Farrelli said: Defunding the police, what a ridiculous idea. Oh hang on, the Tories have already done it. Next! Once again, if blaming Tories for police defunding projects fits your politics, carry on. This all started under a Labour government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted July 3, 2020 Moderators Share Posted July 3, 2020 21 minutes ago, MickyD said: Once again, if blaming Tories for police defunding projects fits your politics, carry on. This all started under a Labour government. so what happened in 2011 then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 22 minutes ago, MickyD said: Once again, if blaming Tories for police defunding projects fits your politics, carry on. This all started under a Labour government. Police funding increased by 31% in real terms between 2000/01 and 2010/11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted July 3, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted July 3, 2020 11 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: so what happened in 2011 then? Tory coppers are twice as good as Labour ones, so even if you look at 2016, in real terms that makes it 250,000 staff, which is at least 100,000 more than Labour ever had. In real terms. These days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrelli Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 20 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: so what happened in 2011 then? Get away with your facts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 3, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted July 3, 2020 A bit over simplistic purely looking at numbers, methods have changed significantly too, with technology playing a part. However, when it comes down to it, the drop in numbers, especially as population has grown has brought about it's own issues. I was told once a few years back, that there was one shift during which there were only 2 officers covering the whole of Bolton. Cuts were made all over the place following the financial crash, and arguments will always continue as the whether that was the way to go, however it's clear that money now needs to go back in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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