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4 hours ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Danny Rose has been chirping up about getting pulled over by the police for random stops 

boring 

I’d imagine it is boring if you keep getting stopped by the police for no good reason

Also annoying, upsetting and possibly humiliating

 

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10 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

I’d imagine it is boring if you keep getting stopped by the police for no good reason

Also annoying, upsetting and possibly humiliating

 

"For no good reason"

Thing is, from the police's perspective, there may be a good reason. We just don't know.

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Danny rose suggests their good reason is cos hes a darkie in a flash car

 

I actually think danny rose is a whinging arse generally, but on this, only him and the coppers know

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6 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

"For no good reason"

Thing is, from the police's perspective, there may be a good reason. We just don't know.

Well I don’t remember Leighton Baines moaning about it, so I don’t think it’s coz he’s a dangerous Leftback 

We all know exactly why it is. If folk want to keep their heads in the sand cos it makes them uncomfortable then crack on

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2 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

Well I don’t remember Leighton Baines moaning about it, so I don’t think it’s coz he’s a dangerous Leftback 

We all know exactly why it is. If folk want to keep their heads in the sand cos it makes them uncomfortable then crack on

the problem is, yes its racist to assume a black man in a flash car has nicked it, but the stats probably say that theres a greater limeliood that a flash car being driven by a 30 year old black guy has been nicked than one driven by a 30 year old white bloke

Maybe, police could check record of ownership before pulling over flash cars just cos theres a black fella driving it

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Just now, Casino said:

the problem is, yes its racist to assume a black man in a flash car has nicked it, but the stats probably say that theres a greater limeliood that a flash car being driven by a 30 year old black guy has been nicked than one driven by a 30 year old white bloke

Maybe, police could check record of ownership before pulling over flash cars just cos theres a black fella driving it

If you were him and kept getting pulled over would you get pissed off?

 

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4 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

If you were him and kept getting pulled over would you get pissed off?

 

course i would

Difficult job for plod and thats why i suggested a way of him not getting mither

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13 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Neighbours lad gets pulled on many occasions as he looks about 12, he loves it as everything is above board

 

good for him, seriously

Im still convinced that most coppers are decent fair folk just doing a days graft

Dont give em shit and theyll be fine

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On 30/07/2020 at 20:50, gonzo said:

 

 

white feral kids matter. 

 

This is fuckin grim 

Is that real? or a staged clip?

I'm struggling to understand that has happened

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28 minutes ago, Casino said:

Maybe, police could check record of ownership before pulling over flash cars just cos theres a black fella driving it

Do they get to see a picture of the driver when they check the records?

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fake, ive read

Theres a lot of em about thats similar

Some site or other, but ive forgitten the name

 

Ian collins retweeted it and was told it was fake

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Just now, ZicoKelly said:

Do they get to see a picture of the driver when they check the records?

they get told its danny rose  

He will have his kit on with his name on the back

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Let’s not forget, according to the ONS the Police only carried out 370k stop and searches last year in the U.K, of which 70K were on someone who would identify as Black ethnicity 

The 2011 census has the U.K. black population at 2m, probably higher now. 

Based on those figures 3.5 Black people in every 100 will have been stopped and searched last year with 96.5 not getting bothered once. That’s if you flat phase it as well. Once you have allowed for Danny Rose getting hammered with stop and searches and the many others who also complain of being stopped and searched every week (think someone on this thread claimed three times a day for some known knife carrying criminals), then it’s highly likely that 99% of Black people don’t get bothered by the Police at all 

But let’s ignore those figures and instead beat ourselves up for being institutionally racist 

 

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16 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Let’s not forget, according to the ONS the Police only carried out 370k stop and searches last year in the U.K, of which 70K were on someone who would identify as Black ethnicity 

The 2011 census has the U.K. black population at 2m, probably higher now. 

Based on those figures 3.5 Black people in every 100 will have been stopped and searched last year with 96.5 not getting bothered once. That’s if you flat phase it as well. Once you have allowed for Danny Rose getting hammered with stop and searches and the many others who also complain of being stopped and searched every week (think someone on this thread claimed three times a day for some known knife carrying criminals), then it’s highly likely that 99% of Black people don’t get bothered by the Police at all 

But let’s ignore those figures and instead beat ourselves up for being institutionally racist 

 

I could be wrong but I dont think the stop and search figures include vehicle stops.

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5 minutes ago, Duck Egg said:

I could be wrong but I dont think the stop and search figures include vehicle stops.

Just had a quick look and it suggest that they are included...

'A stop and search is when a police officer stops you or your vehicle and searches you'

https://www.bedfordshire.police.uk/information-and-services/About-us/Stop-and-search/Stop-and-Search-frequently-asked-questions

 

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17 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Let’s not forget, according to the ONS the Police only carried out 370k stop and searches last year in the U.K, of which 70K were on someone who would identify as Black ethnicity 

The 2011 census has the U.K. black population at 2m, probably higher now. 

Based on those figures 3.5 Black people in every 100 will have been stopped and searched last year with 96.5 not getting bothered once. That’s if you flat phase it as well. Once you have allowed for Danny Rose getting hammered with stop and searches and the many others who also complain of being stopped and searched every week (think someone on this thread claimed three times a day for some known knife carrying criminals), then it’s highly likely that 99% of Black people don’t get bothered by the Police at all 

But let’s ignore those figures and instead beat ourselves up for being institutionally racist 

 

So by your numbers 1 in 5 approx stop and searches are on black people. 
based on a population of 60m they make up 1 in 30 of the population. 
 

So black folk are 6 times more likely to be stopped. As Casino posted earlier I believe most coppers are probably decent folk and are probably trying their best to only stop folk they think are/look dodgy. I have no idea on crime stats so maybe these numbers reflect propensity to commit crime. 
 

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3 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Just had a quick look and it suggest that they are included...

'A stop and search is when a police officer stops you or your vehicle and searches you'

https://www.bedfordshire.police.uk/information-and-services/About-us/Stop-and-search/Stop-and-Search-frequently-asked-questions

 

But does that cover being stopped and being asked to produce ID rather than searched ? Stop and search is quite specific and was controversial when introduced as something do with civil liberties in terms of giving police power to search with no warrant. 

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On another note, the ONS data would indicate that 90% of all stop and searches are carried out on males, only 10% are on females, given the population is circa 50:50 that would indicate that a male is 10x more likely to be stopped and searched rather than a female. Does this then indicate that the Police service is institutionally sexist and a clear sign of discrimination against men? If a board of directors was 90% male then it would be called out by the gender equality mob. Or alternatively is this just driven by the fact that a man is much more likely to commit a crime than a female? 

Also worth considering the age profile of stop and searches, 80% of them are carried out on people under 35 years old, however this age group only make up a third of the population. So you are 8x more likely to get stopped and searched if you are younger than 35, again is this Institutional age discrimination from the Police or alternatively is this just where the crime is? 

The age one is interesting, although the overall UK population is predominantly older (66% above 35 years old), its the opposite for most of the BAME group who are mainly recent migrants into the country so dont have generations of oldies who are retired. 66% of all Black people in this country are under 35, that's only 33% for white people. So when you look at stop and search statistics, if you accept that 80% of them will happen on under 35's then immediately you should expect twice as many Black people to get stop and searched per 100,000 than white.  

Geography also plays a part, half of all stop and searches take place in London, yet that only accounts for 20% of the overall UK population, but over 60% of the UK black community Live in London. A third of all UK knife crime takes place in the capitol so its understandable that the MET Police over index with Stop and Search

Plenty of nuance in the numbers, to get some sort of parity you would need to see the age demographics level out Black vs White and also the Geographical location of that group. If they were evenly spread across the UK regions rather than just in 2 or 3 city centers it would help give a much more level playing field for stop and search's 

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23 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Just had a quick look and it suggest that they are included...

'A stop and search is when a police officer stops you or your vehicle and searches you'

https://www.bedfordshire.police.uk/information-and-services/About-us/Stop-and-search/Stop-and-Search-frequently-asked-questions

 

The METs own site describes a vehicle stop as 'This is not a stop and search'.

I've been stopped once in the last 30 years but then I dont drive a particularly smart or racy type car.  I'm not black either.

I've no reason to think Danny Rose is lying and it's a similar story from lots of black men his age.  I imagine it gets very bloody annoying if you're getting stopped possibly because the Police Officer is of a mind set 'Young black male in nice vehicle.  Obviously stolen or up to no good'

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