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4 minutes ago, Youri McAnespie said:

I'm not that owd @Mr Grey

Think I started supping out 1992 - fifteen year old but a big lad.

Was an old hand at being served at offies for street drinks and parties by then - used to buy for all the other assembled lads and lasses, for a small commision of course.

I'd sometime have to make two trips to shift the boxes - yup boxes, packed with booze, out of the shop.

This was around 1990.

If they genuinely thought I was 18...

Although I claimed that age when asked. Job done.

Apologies, your definitely not of the Cliff Richard age. I was still going round Bolton TC at that time, up an to the millennium. Was a great place to drink, unfortunately another generation came of age, coke heads and ultra plastic hard fuckers.

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@Mr Grey

After about 2006 never had a night out unless with homebird mates and our respective girlfriends/wives and still mob-handed.

Turned it in (after 2006) after a night when some gillet clad 'roid bloated young cokehead cunt with an orange trophy girlfriend took a dislike to my mate. In The Swan.

The mate who's 19 stone and could've snapped him in two - but he's a peaceful pete - and he was shitfaced.

He then moved his fist aim to me - on Bradshawgate this is. I'd done fuck all.

I thought about dislocating his fucking knee then sticking the boot in - but...

Well, you breathe a minute and...

Thing was I'd long been preferring Manc by then, even though there was the odd obnoxious dust wanker pitching up and ruining everything - pound for pound though Bolton pissed all over Manc for abundance of pissed/coked up/'roid cunts.

Been out at night in town maybe thirty times in 15 years.

And mostly 'spoons or to eat.

Quite a few more short visits to Sweet Green after train back from a night match - that ain't town imo though.

 

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7 hours ago, Youri McAnespie said:

Oh, and the cunt was wearing only a gillet - nowt underneath.

To show off his water retention.

Edit: and thinking back it was after watching England-Ecuador in The Varsity (Germany 2006).

It kicked off in town after pretty much each match that year.. I was working in Cromptons mule at the time as a part time barman

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9 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

I used to be & definitely agree it's needed in the curriculum.

Worked in London this time 2 years ago & the school were big on BHM. Read a good book about The Windrush & had the author come in & chat to the class about it. 

My point was only that (imo) it doesn't have to be confined to one month a year. That usually ends up just being a week. Came to that conclusion after a couple of black teachers said they would like to see it more embedded in the curriculum throughout the year.

Outside of schools, its certainly a month. I've worked closely with the team behind the month and the editors of the BHM mag. It really is still needed. This thread proves it if nothing else.

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1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said:

Outside of schools, its certainly a month. I've worked closely with the team behind the month and the editors of the BHM mag. It really is still needed. This thread proves it if nothing else.

Aye I've just been talking about in schools and how it could be more spread out. Agree that it's much needed in wider society. 

Sounds like good work you've been involved with 👍

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We didn’t teach anything about black history when I was at school and I will be honest I know very very little about it now. 
 

we were taught about the British empire a wee bit and the colonies and stuff at school but that was because one of my classmates asked. 
 

yet, remarkably, I’m not a racist and nor am I a white supremacist. May be a very simplistic view I hold but that leads me to believe the problem doesn’t exist because kids aren’t getting taught at school about BH. 

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2 hours ago, only1swanny said:

It kicked off in town after pretty much each match that year.. I was working in Cromptons mule at the time as a part time barman

Town was rammed with odious nobheads during that era - it was always kicking off and hard to avoid getting dragged into proceedings so we simply stopped going.

Bizarrely 'The Late Bar' on Bank Street, never once saw it boot off in there.

Suppose everyone was too wankered to care.

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26 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

We didn’t teach anything about black history when I was at school and I will be honest I know very very little about it now. 
 

we were taught about the British empire a wee bit and the colonies and stuff at school but that was because one of my classmates asked. 
 

yet, remarkably, I’m not a racist and nor am I a white supremacist. May be a very simplistic view I hold but that leads me to believe the problem doesn’t exist because kids aren’t getting taught at school about BH. 

So you not being a white supremist is evidence that BH isn't important? I know you hate having words put in your mouth, so correct me if I'm wrong. Agree with you that it's not the solution to people's prejudice but it is a piece in the jigsaw. 

I reckon we would all agree that History is an important subject. Giving young people the skills to look at information and make a rational decision about it's validity. In our world of fake news, twitter videos and conspiracy peddling presidents it feels more important than ever for people on both sides of the political spectrum. 

Looking at how propaganda was used to justify the slave trade and British Empire would be a good way to do this. As would looking at other historical situations and leaders who still do it today.

It's also about creating a balance where every great inventor, artist, mathematician and author that you study isn't always white. If anything BH can just get teachers to reflect to make sure they're doing this.  

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7 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

So you not being a white supremist is evidence that BH isn't important? I know you hate having words put in your mouth, so correct me if I'm wrong. Agree with you that it's not the solution to people's prejudice but it is a piece in the jigsaw. 

I reckon we would all agree that History is an important subject. Giving young people the skills to look at information and make a rational decision about it's validity. In our world of fake news, twitter videos and conspiracy peddling presidents it feels more important than ever for people on both sides of the political spectrum. 

Looking at how propaganda was used to justify the slave trade and British Empire would be a good way to do this. As would looking at other historical situations and leaders who still do it today.

It's also about creating a balance where every great inventor, artist, mathematician and author that you study isn't always white. If anything BH can just get teachers to reflect to make sure they're doing this.  

I’m merely pointing out that I had no education about any of this. My parents didn’t either. 
 

but my mother made me aware at an early age that it was unacceptable. This is the key to me. 
 

I’m not saying awareness isn’t a key part in this and I guess if schools can help that’s great. But to me if a kid from a racist family goes to school and is taught about BH it’s unlikely to change his views  

 

I’m not saying don’t teach it. Far from it. But our behaviors are formed initially at home. 
 

 

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Just now, Escobarp said:

I’m merely pointing out that I had no education about any of this. My parents didn’t either. 
 

but my mother made me aware at an early age that it was unacceptable. This is the key to me. 
 

I’m not saying awareness isn’t a key part in this and I guess if schools can help that’s great. But to me if a kid from a racist family goes to school and is taught about BH it’s unlikely to change his views  

 

I’m not saying don’t teach it. Far from it. But our behaviors are formed initially at home. 
 

 

Schools can do whatever they want.

If role models at home are racist, it's going to have a knock on effect on some. I don't teach much about history in my subject.  

It is working though, kids are becoming more inclusive.

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2 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

Schools can do whatever they want.

If role models at home are racist, it's going to have a knock on effect on some. I don't teach much about history in my subject.  

It is working though, kids are becoming more inclusive.

That’s what I’m saying mate. 
folk (not necessarily on here) and banging the drum as if it’s a magic wand. It’s a very very small part of it. But it needs to start at home and then in peer groups as that is where behaviors are formed. Not in the classroom 

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32 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I’m merely pointing out that I had no education about any of this. My parents didn’t either. 
 

but my mother made me aware at an early age that it was unacceptable. This is the key to me. 
 

I’m not saying awareness isn’t a key part in this and I guess if schools can help that’s great. But to me if a kid from a racist family goes to school and is taught about BH it’s unlikely to change his views  

 

I’m not saying don’t teach it. Far from it. But our behaviors are formed initially at home. 
 

 

It is much harder if kids are hearing racist views at home. But it can still have an impact.

And it works both ways. I've had Muslim kids say 'my book says that it is wrong to be gay' etc. But school is an important place to see those opposing views and learn that discrimination based on race, sexual preference, gender etc. is illegal. 

I've had kids bring all sort of learned behaviours from home, but with the right school environment, they have thrived and changed for the better. 

Doesn't always work though but can play a part in changing behaviour and views over each generation. 

 

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40 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

We didn’t have any bummers (that we were aware of anyway) in my class at school. 

You know what they say, if you look around the room and can’t find the one gay person in it, well......

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11 minutes ago, Rudy said:

I looked into my history a few years back so thought I should share. 
 

I was born in Bolton to a Jamaican Mam, and English Dad

My Mam was born in Kingston, Jamaica, owd fella like me was born in Bolton to Irish parents

My Jamaican Grandparents were a seamstress, and a mechanical engineer.

My Irish grandparents were a housewife and Builder

After WW2 my Jamaican parents came over in 1948 on the MW Windrush, as the UK was suffering from lack of workers and a very depleted economy. They were invited to this country, to help recover the country following WW2. My Grandma worked in Swan Lane Mill, and my Grandad worked in a engineering firm making car and truck parts.

My Irish grandparents came over shortly after, my Grandad and as a builder and worked around the north west, mainly around the shipyards of Liverpool whilst my Nan was a housewife. 
 

Going back further My Jamaican grandparents worked on a sugar plantation, now this is where it gets interesting, the owner of the plantation was a decedent  of a slave auctioner. 
 

My relatives worked on a sugar plantation farm as slaves in Jamaica. A distant relative was born a slave and when he grew up, he managed to buy his freedom and his release papers.

Going further back I have descendants from Africa who lived on the west coast of Africa, their town is listed in slave papers as being subject to numerous raids which I imagine is when they were captured and enslaved. 
This isn’t ancient history this is relatively recent. Imagine being taken from your home, put in shackles, beaten, whipped and then thrown on a boat to be sold for a life as a slave.

This lasted for 400 years. 

It’s not black history it’s all our history. 

Great post that Rudy

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1 hour ago, only1swanny said:

Schools can do whatever they want.

If role models at home are racist, it's going to have a knock on effect on some. I don't teach much about history in my subject.  

It is working though, kids are becoming more inclusive.

These days, the home is probably one of the few places where a prejudice of any kind probably won’t be questioned which, unfortunately, if coming from a parent will lead the child into a world of shit when he/she eventually utters those words which were deemed acceptable at home.

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