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What do visiting managers say to their players just before sending their players out? "These blokes think they are Barcelona with their swanky stadium and tippy tappy building form the back... ta

And to think when we were in the lower reaches of the champ and in L1 some on here had us believe the Calibre of players we had were unable to play short sharp passing like this.    yet you’ve

Needs a window. Bring his own men in who can adapt to his philosophy. Im glad the fans arent there. Itll be reet folks.

We're now a quarter of the way through the season with 10 points.

That extends to a 40 point season return, hardly promotion form, quite the opposite.

IE-TP-FV-BWFC need to sort their shit out, must do better during the second quarter... doubling the return to 20 points would be a good target but definite action is needed right now.

 

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9 hours ago, kent_white said:

Evatt said last week that he thinks half the problem is that these players can't form any bonds outside of training. They just come in and then leave without being able to socialise. 

Clutching at straws here but maybe that's a factor? 

They’re professional sports people. They must’ve formed a social bubble to be able to train together so is it beyond their wherewithal to meet in the same bubble to socialise and get to know each other? Or would that impact on their need to practice being shit at football?
 

If you work in a team in any industry but don’t socialise; either through choice or because of social distancing, does that mean you can’t do your job properly?

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44 minutes ago, Dimron said:

We're now a quarter of the way through the season with 10 points.

That extends to a 40 point season return, hardly promotion form, quite the opposite.

IE-TP-FV-BWFC need to sort their shit out, must do better during the second quarter... doubling the return to 20 points would be a good target but definite action is needed right now.

 

You can "prove" most things with stats, though.

The Orient aberration aside, we're not losing as often as we were. One defeat in five now. Next stop is turning draws into wins and that will come by (a) cutting out the stupid errors and (b) improving our chances taken ratio.

It's a new squad being asked to play a new way, it will take time.

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Agreed

The management need an objective, either set by themselves or the owners.

As there is an improvement, is 25 points mid season too much to ask for with a bedded in squad able to keep improving?

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4 hours ago, Traf said:

You can "prove" most things with stats, though.

The Orient aberration aside, we're not losing as often as we were. One defeat in five now. Next stop is turning draws into wins and that will come by (a) cutting out the stupid errors and (b) improving our chances taken ratio.

It's a new squad being asked to play a new way, it will take time.

It usually takes someone away from the incessant, reactionary in-match emotional rants, to offer a realistic perspective.

Well said Sir 👏

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5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

He's right, but by the fuck its hard to watch that and keep believing. 

You’re not wrong. I don’t know how or why in the current circumstances, but I still, (I want to say look forward, but it’s not that 😂) want to tune into Ifollow and hope/pray (certainly not expect!) we win/improve but as you say it’s hard going ATM.

Maybe my belief expectations have changed now. Rather than the pre-season expectation of promotion, or the lessening expectation of play-offs, I’ve now accepted mid-table/top ten with the faint hope of play-offs, but the momentum has to start shifting to the positive sooner rather than later. 

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2 minutes ago, Traf said:

FWIW, I don't think we're that far off being good enough to go on a long unbeaten run.

That says a lot about how poor the league is, though.

I hope you’re right mate. We keep seeing glimpses don’t we and as you said earlier it’s a not a dramatic shift to expect our conversion rate and shut out rate to improve enough to turn narrow draws into victories.

As for the standards in this league I’m completely bamboozled, we looked good and outplayed the high flying Cambridge yet Mansfield and Oldham we struggled against.

I think confidence in sport is always a massive factor and consistency in results will breed this. Here’s hoping to a more positive run of results which will get us moving in the right direction.

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5 minutes ago, Traf said:

FWIW, I don't think we're that far off being good enough to go on a long unbeaten run.

That says a lot about how poor the league is, though.

Really ? I'm generally optimistic but a good half here and there is not enough.  Hopefully it might be possible if we get some key players back and a new keeper.

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We have to play like we did against Cambridge more often and less like we did against Orient.
Plus some tweaking of the team ie keeper change, Baptiste out and revert to a four across the back.

Baptiste is a strange one, though. Evatt clearly likes him, but he's a liability at times and likes to push up field. Could he do any worse than White or Comley as a defensive midfielder?

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14 minutes ago, Traf said:

We have to play like we did against Cambridge more often and less like we did against Orient.
Plus some tweaking of the team ie keeper change, Baptiste out and revert to a four across the back.

Baptiste is a strange one, though. Evatt clearly likes him, but he's a liability at times and likes to push up field. Could he do any worse than White or Comley as a defensive midfielder?

The first few minutes last night, Baptiste got forward well (as did the left sided centre half) and looked ok. It just all turned to rat shit. Are we trying to play like Sheffield United and failing?

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22 minutes ago, Traf said:

We have to play like we did against Cambridge more often and less like we did against Orient.
Plus some tweaking of the team ie keeper change, Baptiste out and revert to a four across the back.

Baptiste is a strange one, though. Evatt clearly likes him, but he's a liability at times and likes to push up field. Could he do any worse than White or Comley as a defensive midfielder?

Yep, our wing backs are just not cutting it so he needs to look at something else. He should just take Baptiste out though.

I reckon 4-2-3-1 would suit us better. Tutte and White together would be ok in front of the defence. Let Sarcevic and Crawford concentrate on playing in the opponents half. 

 

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10 minutes ago, Traf said:

Baptiste should have put the ball in the net early on, too.

Was offside wasn't he?  Well, that's what they were saying on Bolton FM/iFollow.

Anyway, Baptiste was a lot better last night than he has been, but that's not saying much.  Crellin was awful again and I can't see how he'll improve in the immediate future.  Teams will now target him just as Mansfield were doing last night.

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29 minutes ago, DazBob said:

Was offside wasn't he?  Well, that's what they were saying on Bolton FM/iFollow.

Anyway, Baptiste was a lot better last night than he has been, but that's not saying much.  Crellin was awful again and I can't see how he'll improve in the immediate future.  Teams will now target him just as Mansfield were doing last night.

He was offside, as it happens, but the flag went up late. He didn't know the flag was up when he shot, so therefore should have put it in the net.

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5 hours ago, Traf said:

FWIW, I don't think we're that far off being good enough to go on a long unbeaten run.

That says a lot about how poor the league is, though.

Agree about the possibility of an unbeaten run, but i've been quite impressed with the standard of League 2, most teams want to get the ball down and play it on the deck.

I'd go as far to say that League 2 isn't a massively  different standard to League 1.

Or maybe i'm just too easily impressed and they're both shit.

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2 hours ago, Burndens Bogs said:

Agree about the possibility of an unbeaten run, but i've been quite impressed with the standard of League 2, most teams want to get the ball down and play it on the deck.

I'd go as far to say that League 2 isn't a massively  different standard to League 1.

Or maybe i'm just too easily impressed and they're both shit.

I agree most teams want to play proper football, and yes most look organised and well coached.  However that's the case at semi pro level now, everyone tries to play football on the deck.  But up front I think the Div 2 teams look toothless (thank God).  Shooting is abysmal.  No physicality up front.  No pace.  No proper wingers.  Very few players with any skill to beat a man.  Compared to Div 1 I think its far worse apart from maybe bottom 6 of that division which was poor.  But if the team we have now was in Div 1 I don't know where the first point would come from.

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13 hours ago, Traf said:

You can "prove" most things with stats, though.

The Orient aberration aside, we're not losing as often as we were. One defeat in five now. Next stop is turning draws into wins and that will come by (a) cutting out the stupid errors and (b) improving our chances taken ratio.

It's a new squad being asked to play a new way, it will take time.

Not only are we not losing as often, we're not shipping bags of unanswered goals (the Orient abberration aside). We are not outclassed as often and we are keeping playing up to minute 91.

With Politic and Doyle back we would have been better in most of our defeats.

 

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We all rate Politic but would he have been in the team much?  And if so, what position and instead of who?  I can only think he would either have to be wingback - ridiculous - or instead of Sarcevic which isn't going to happen.  He isn't an alternative to Crawford or Tutte.  If Darcy had been the one injured we'd all be desperate for him to be fit, but the reality of who gets picked to fit into IE's formation is another matter.

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At the moment I’m not happy with brand Evatt, didn’t really want tippy tippy football I would have been happy with an older experienced manager . How can the manager compare us with Mansfield being in a stronger position when we’ve just sold near 9 k season tickets . I want to hear from fv about there ambitions and if there going to back us financially in the future because I’ve backed them with the purchase of a season ticket . Can they tell us it’ll be different when out of embargo next season and we won’t feel in inferior to teams like Mansfield , morecambe, barrow ffs .Fv have missed a trick here cos if we had done well this year the ticket sale would have gone up. If we dont go up that ticket sale will drop by half . 

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