Jol_BWFC Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 27 minutes ago, paulhanley said: Are you saying you agree with this verdict? I can’t disagree with the verdict because I didn’t hear all the evidence in court. Did you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhanley Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 20 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said: I can’t disagree with the verdict because I didn’t hear all the evidence in court. Did you? PR Harper's wife was. Our local newspapers in the Thames Valley had reporters there. They all seem pretty disgusted. Driving a car down country lanes at breakneck speed with someone being dragged along for a mile while accumulating horrific injuries seems to me to be worthy of the highest punishments. That is not what has happened. PC Harper's wife is shocked. So is the local community. Of course I'm sure its all too complex for us all to collectively understand it and your superior intellect and wisdom gives you insights to which we mere mortals can only aspire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 1 minute ago, paulhanley said: PR Harper's wife was. Our local newspapers in the Thames Valley had reporters there. They all seem pretty disgusted. Driving a car down country lanes at breakneck speed with someone being dragged along for a mile while accumulating horrific injuries seems to me to be worthy of the highest punishments. That is not what has happened. PC Harper's wife is shocked. So is the local community. Of course I'm sure its all too complex for us all to collectively understand it and your superior intellect and wisdom gives you insights to which we mere mortals can only aspire. But sadly you have to prove beyond reasonable doubt they intended to kill him. only one was driving and he’s got manslaughter I believe? (Correct me if I’m wrong) So the other two rats can’t get anything worse for being in the car? but they should get the maximum possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon boy Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Looks like there may be a retrial, jury may have been intimidated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, paulhanley said: PR Harper's wife was. Our local newspapers in the Thames Valley had reporters there. They all seem pretty disgusted. Driving a car down country lanes at breakneck speed with someone being dragged along for a mile while accumulating horrific injuries seems to me to be worthy of the highest punishments. That is not what has happened. PC Harper's wife is shocked. So is the local community. Of course I'm sure its all too complex for us all to collectively understand it and your superior intellect and wisdom gives you insights to which we mere mortals can only aspire. Although Mrs Harper and the local press are not impartial (you said earlier the locals were outraged). The jury should have been impartial and (whether we like it or not) they decided they were not guilty of murder. The incident was terrible and I think we all agree they are deserving of a very long sentence. The manslaughter verdict allows the judge to give them that and I hope he does. Edited July 25, 2020 by Jol_BWFC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 34 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said: Although Mrs Harper and the local press are not impartial (you said earlier the locals were outraged). The jury should have been impartial and (whether we like it or not) they decided they were not guilty of murder. The incident was terrible and I think we all agree they are deserving of a very long sentence. The manslaughter verdict allows the judge to give them that and I hope he does. There seems to have been issues with the jury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crawshawbooth Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 7 hours ago, Jol_BWFC said: Which legal professionals? sorry ,i adjourned to the public house for several hours as a normal bloke dickhead drunk taxpayer ,i dont have the first clue about the legal profession apart from what i have seen on the tellybox. I just think that when our bezzie mate Shamima turns up here for her appeal which she got over the heads of the British public and politicians the outcome will be decided by a bunch of crusty old judges with their own interests at heart i feel pretty sure when the judges that came to this decision it was all about brass as in ,"who will defend her"? dont worry pal ,our Ermintrude who works for Twats Twats n utter bollocks will take the case another crusty says well thats settled as my grandson Adonis who works for Bellend Bellend n total dogs bollocks will take the case for the government so how do we think it works out for you ,me and Shamima? this lot dont give a fuck Ermintrude has a new skiing chalet in Austria (sleeps 14) Adonis got that new apartment in Monaco he always hankered after , just around the bay from uncle crusty and for the rest of us ,maybe 15 million quid and they all lived happy ever after x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogs Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 6 hours ago, Escobarp said: But sadly you have to prove beyond reasonable doubt they intended to kill him. only one was driving and he’s got manslaughter I believe? (Correct me if I’m wrong) So the other two rats can’t get anything worse for being in the car? but they should get the maximum possible This what I don't understand about the manslaughter verdict rather than murder. As you say, there were 2 of em in the car that weren't driving, they all must of seen how close they came to him, your not telling me that the 2 cuntflaps didn't look out the back window and see what horrific consequences were occurring. Sickening which ever way you look at it and none of them should ever see the right side of a prison wall again. I'm not someone who says this sort of shit flippantly, but they should be lined up against the wall for me!!! (I am someone who is currently drunk as fuck though, so feel free to disregard this post) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, boogs said: This what I don't understand about the manslaughter verdict rather than murder. As you say, there were 2 of em in the car that weren't driving, they all must of seen how close they came to him, your not telling me that the 2 cuntflaps didn't look out the back window and see what horrific consequences were occurring. Sickening which ever way you look at it and none of them should ever see the right side of a prison wall again. I'm not someone who says this sort of shit flippantly, but they should be lined up against the wall for me!!! (I am someone who is currently drunk as fuck though, so feel free to disregard this post) I am someone who says those sort of things regularly 😂 and I agree with you and a number of folk that these two will never add anything to society and this is a terrible terrible crime. we all know they knew he was attached to that tow rope and knew what the consequences were. I suspect in the US the outcome of the trial would be very different. Edited July 26, 2020 by Escobarp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Good Knee Posted July 26, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted July 26, 2020 I just wonder how you lot would feel if it had happened to your partner, dad, brother or sister, I don't need all the technicalities of the law . String the low life dirty bastards from the nearest tree and allow stoning while it's going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Good Knee said: I just wonder how you lot would feel if it had happened to your partner, dad, brother or sister, I don't need all the technicalities of the law . String the low life dirty bastards from the nearest tree and allow stoning while it's going on. Who’s saying any different? So not sure what the “how you lot would feel” is for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Good Knee Posted July 26, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted July 26, 2020 I'm sure a lot of people think a lot differently to me ,perhaps a good thing who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Not even sure the snowflakes on here could think much differently to be honest pal In this case no matter how wet they are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted July 26, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted July 26, 2020 13 hours ago, crawshawbooth said: as a normal bloke dickhead drunk taxpayer ,i dont have the first clue about the legal profession apart from what i have seen on the tellybox. You’ve been posting on Wanderersways for quite some time. Haven’t you picked up anything at all from the countless legal experts on here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 26, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted July 26, 2020 15 hours ago, Jol_BWFC said: Although Mrs Harper and the local press are not impartial (you said earlier the locals were outraged). The jury should have been impartial and (whether we like it or not) they decided they were not guilty of murder. The incident was terrible and I think we all agree they are deserving of a very long sentence. The manslaughter verdict allows the judge to give them that and I hope he does. I think you're right. We get emotional over things like this, and rightly so. However the law and courts etc have to try to remove this from the case. Sounds terrible, but a family member probably isn't the best person to judge. The jury were given protection once the police received word that they were facing potential intimidation. Whether that's enough for a retrial, we'll see. Perhaps what needs looking at is the sentencing guidelines, so sentence length is appropriate to the action, even if the actual crime isn't murder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crawshawbooth Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 1 minute ago, MickyD said: You’ve been posting on Wanderersways for quite some time. Haven’t you picked up anything at all from the countless legal experts on here? sorry Mick i havent picked up any advice from any of the armchair generals or bastions of industry that post on here now i can get back in the pub i will need a bit less legal advice from our experts all good fun tho take care mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Good Knee said: I just wonder how you lot would feel if it had happened to your partner, dad, brother or sister, I don't need all the technicalities of the law . String the low life dirty bastards from the nearest tree and allow stoning while it's going on. And a £25 fine to boot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 Have they been sentenced yet ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Ani said: Have they been sentenced yet ? Next Friday. Edited July 26, 2020 by Jol_BWFC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted July 26, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted July 26, 2020 From Google: Quote Murder is committed when a person of sound mind unlawfully kills another person and they have the intention to kill or to cause grievous bodily harm. ... Involuntary manslaughter applies where a person has caused the death of another but they have done so without the intention to kill or cause grievous bodily harm. My reckoning is that the fact a tow-line managed to somehow lasso the policeman and he died as a result it would qualify as manslaughter. The driver, however, was reported; with video evidence, to have then attempted to rid his means of escape of the person he was dragging behind him. I reckon this qualifies as intent in that he could have stopped but chose not to. I just hope the lack of remorse shown by the three compels the judge to head towards the maximum sentence rather than the minimum. Also from Google: Quote Depending on the severity of the offence – and if it is classified as a voluntary or involuntary act – the maximum sentence for manslaughter in the UK is life imprisonment. However, the judge may impose a lesser sentence, including: A prison sentence – typically ranging between 2 and 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 So it sounds like the right crime let’s hope the judge throws the fucking book at them. It has to be double digits for me as high as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogs Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Escobarp said: I am someone who says those sort of things regularly 😂 and I agree with you and a number of folk that these two will never add anything to society and this is a terrible terrible crime. we all know they knew he was attached to that tow rope and knew what the consequences were. I suspect in the US the outcome of the trial would be very different. Didn't even remember I'd wrote that (see pissheadery thread) I know absolutely diddley shit about law so God knows why I was chipping in about it, especially at that time. Also, I say things like "they should be thrown off nearest bridge" all the time so I don't know why I was drunkenly acting otherwise 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members burnden Posted July 31, 2020 Members Share Posted July 31, 2020 16 years for the driver 13 years each for the other two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Given the verdict I think that’s as good as we could have hoped for. And they won’t behave in prison so each indiscretion extend the term til a parole hearing make them serve as much as possible. Little cunts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogs Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Tie each of there limbs to the back of a car and set off in different directions. Let the bastards rot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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