royal white Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 8 minutes ago, Cheese said: Whichever one I encountered first. Why? Where’s the sense in that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Cheese said: I don't think he has. We all know there is a problem among certain sections of the young black community in London. The root of the problem is the issue. Claiming "there isn't institutional racism in the UK, it's all their own fault" doesn't really solve anything. Maybe I'm missing something. I’m claiming that we don’t have ‘systemic racism’ Given that I believe ‘the system’ is broadly Healthcare, welfare, Education and Justice. I don’t think that’s the case. You often hear the term white privilege, but if that was the case why does the white population perform so poorly when compared with British Chinese and British Indian If the Black community (on average per 100,000 of population) want to do better then I think most of those gains would need to cone from themselves looking inwardly at their culture rather than blaming the system. As Obama said in the NY Times link above... Obama has stirred debate among black Americans by bluntly speaking about an epidemic of fatherless African-American families while suggesting that some blacks use racism as a crutch to explain lack of economic progress. To be fair, I think the white community in this country could also do much better, why can’t we perform as well as the Chinese and Indian groups. I don’t think that’s ‘the systems’ fault but instead hundreds of poorly performing white communities all over the U.K. dragging the numbers down. It’s the culture within those communities that’s the problem, not the colour of their skin Edited September 18, 2020 by birch-chorley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Cheese said: You're proving my point. Never mind. Youre not though. You know which demographic are more likely and who you, yourself would pick. Thats isnt racist per se. The question is, why in those areas is it more likely to be a black youth, which i think birch has covered. Same way its more than likely a muslim in Rotherham will be convicted of grooming. Or a white kid in liverpool comitting drug offences. Its just the way it is, all are social issues. Fuck all to do with racism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted September 18, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, gonzo said: Youre not though. You know which demographic are more likely and who you, yourself would pick. Thats isnt racist per se. The question is, why in those areas is it more likely to be a black youth, which i think birch has covered. Same way its more than likely a muslim in Rotherham will be convicted of grooming. Or a white kid in liverpool comitting drug offences. Its just the way it is, all are social issues. Fuck all to do with racism. Therefore - institutional racism doesn't exist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 A bit of common sense from Ofcom ... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2020-09-17/diversity-britains-got-talent-dance-blm-ofcom/amp/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Cheese said: Therefore - institutional racism doesn't exist? Its not racism. Its just data. Im more than likely to get stopped and searched at a football match because im in the demographic thats more likely to commit crimes. There isnt institutional persecution off white 36 year olds that wear adidas trainers. Its just the way it is. Edited September 18, 2020 by gonzo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 The question is why are white blokes in adidas trainers more likely to commit crimes at a football match? Again Its a social issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted September 18, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, gonzo said: Its not racism. Its just data. Im more than likely to get stopped and searched at a football match because im in the demographic thats more likely to commit crimes. There isnt institutional persecution off white 36 year olds that wear adidas trainers. Its just the way it is. We've veered way off track. Basically, if a footballer (or anyone else) wants to kneel down for 5 seconds before a match to express their solidarity against racists, that's their choice. I really am baffled by anyone who's offended by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Im not offended. Im just always sceptical with stuff like this. Its greif junky territory for me. Empty gestures to appease the masses etc Each to their own like but its probably run its course now. Make it an annual thing or summet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 18, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, gonzo said: Im not offended. Im just always sceptical with stuff like this. Its greif junky territory for me. Empty gestures to appease the masses etc Each to their own like but its probably run its course now. Make it an annual thing or summet. Aye. I see Michael Holding had a pop at the cricket teams who have stopped. He got a rebuke from Jofra Archer. I'm baffled by anyone getting offended by anyone not taking a knee... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 13 minutes ago, Cheese said: We've veered way off track. Basically, if a footballer (or anyone else) wants to kneel down for 5 seconds before a match to express their solidarity against racists, that's their choice. I really am baffled by anyone who's offended by it. Let’s get back on track. Is there equality in sport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, Cheese said: We've veered way off track. Basically, if a footballer (or anyone else) wants to kneel down for 5 seconds before a match to express their solidarity against racists, that's their choice. I really am baffled by anyone who's offended by it. QPR v Coventry on now Teams decides not to take the knee sky pundit ‘disappointed’ I assume you would be equally baffled at someone taking this stance then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted September 18, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: QPR v Coventry on now Teams decides not to take the knee sky pundit ‘disappointed’ I assume you would be equally baffled at someone taking this stance then? Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 14 minutes ago, birch-chorley said: QPR v Coventry on now Teams decides not to take the knee sky pundit ‘disappointed’ I assume you would be equally baffled at someone taking this stance then? Pundits only saying that because shes a black, blind, left handed lesbian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted September 18, 2020 Author Members Share Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, gonzo said: Pundits only saying that because shes a black, blind, left handed lesbian. Sky’s criteria for a pundit now is a six foot seven inch dwarf, aged between 15 and 50, white male with oriental features who's as black as Newgates Knocker. Oh yeah and he wears a Deaf aid Edited September 18, 2020 by Rudy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted September 18, 2020 Moderators Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, birch-chorley said: QPR v Coventry on now Teams decides not to take the knee sky pundit ‘disappointed’ I assume you would be equally baffled at someone taking this stance then? There was a good debate on the BBC NFL show last week One black pundit wouldn't take the knee because America had been good to him and he'd done well for himself The other, who was also an ex player done good said he would and put his case forward They both agreed you support your fellow team mate in whatever stance they took, ie, talk about it to ensure no disappointment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Steejay Posted September 18, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 18, 2020 How are we gonna show solidarity with the Lincoln 18? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Steejay said: How are we gonna show solidarity with the Lincoln 18? And the “event” after that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 9 hours ago, birch-chorley said: QPR v Coventry on now Teams decides not to take the knee sky pundit ‘disappointed’ I assume you would be equally baffled at someone taking this stance then? There’s been no direction on how many games the knee will go on for so someone was bound to knock it at some point and fair play premier league clubs will continue no doubt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DazBob Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 (edited) Might as well be put to bed this. There are those who think there's still a problem and those who don't think there's enough of a problem to warrant highlighting it every game ... and then there's Birch who knows every stat going about whites, blacks, Chinese and Indian folk and whether their parents are together or not. Nobody is going to change their minds. Edited September 19, 2020 by DazBob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, DazBob said: Nobody is going to change their minds. on anything on WW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted September 19, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted September 19, 2020 14 hours ago, birch-chorley said: Just had a look, much less disparity based on race https://www.stop-watch.org/your-area/area/merseyside Merseyside Police record stop and accounts. Merseyside is one of only nine police forces in England and Wales that record stop and accounts. In 2013/14, a total of 2,047 recorded stop and accounts where carried out across the force. Of these: 1,868 were of whites 34 were of blacks 21 were of Asians 22 were of people from mixed backgrounds 56 were of Chinese people or those from other backgrounds This means that black people were subject to an account at 1.6 times the rate of whites, Asians at 0.8 times that rate, mixed people at 0.7times the rate of whites, and those from Chinese or Other backgrounds were encountered at 1.8 times the rate of whites. https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/single-mums-streets-shocking-number-16629608 Interesting that single parent families in Liverpool are circa 30% I think the predominant factor in stop and searches is the prevalence of single parent families, not colour of skin Where do those we refer to as East European sit in these statistics? The Albanians, Romanians, etc. (Yet strangely Greeks aren’t classed as Eastern European. Does this make it a derogatory term saved for only certain areas?) Anyway, those Eastern European’s; white or other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birch-chorley Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 56 minutes ago, MickyD said: Where do those we refer to as East European sit in these statistics? The Albanians, Romanians, etc. (Yet strangely Greeks aren’t classed as Eastern European. Does this make it a derogatory term saved for only certain areas?) Anyway, those Eastern European’s; white or other? Think they generally fall into white other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 https://www.qpr.co.uk/news/club-news/club-statement-taking-the-knee/ Sir les 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted September 23, 2020 Members Share Posted September 23, 2020 Wise man Mr. Ferdinand. Continually trying to force feed stuff to people will not have the effect they hope for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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