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You also said yesterday he should change to 4-4-2. He’s come in with a plan and to try and change the mentality. Whether we have the players and whether it comes good we will see. But after one half o

It is a football forum; if folk want to offer their tactical opinions, that's what its for. Just a socially distanced way of getting a defeat off your chest over a few ales with mates. Simpl

As a one off performance I can’t disagree with any of the negative comments being made; Players not living up to their billings, looking tactically naive, no defensive gelling what-so-ever, combinatio

22 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said:

What concerns me a bit after these three games is, despite the glowing sales pitches from Evatt when each of them signed, we have little in the way of proven quality in the squad, even at L2 levels. Doyle and Delfouneso yes, not much else in my view. What we do have is a lot of cast offs (some from this league), non league lads and other wild cards like Greenidge that Evatt evidently thinks he's capable of polishing up into effective individuals and an effective unit. Even if that happens it's going to take time and pressure will grow if defeat follows defeat and confidence is eroded. 

The other concern is what's happening with Crawford and, to a slightly lesser extent, Darcy. Both of those showed last season they were capable of making a difference in L1, never mind L2 but it seems to be 'we start with all my men (or Tobias's) till I lose patience with them, then I'll turn back to those who were left from last season

Hope it does click together soon but not convinced up to now

That sums it up. The old players have to look like Messi in training to get a place, the new signings have to look like Trotter to get out of the team.  It will come eventually, but in the meantime we have to grin and bear it, and the same goes for the flawed system.

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8 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Course is not all over, there's 45 games to go.  But if we play the same starting line up and system for the next 45 games, its all over.  They are not going to win more games than they lose.  So it has to change, that's why people are commenting.

Absolute nonsense. 

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36 minutes ago, dusan nikolic said:

In fairness though Cheese  the Manager is the one  hyping up these signings , pointing out they're speed and qualities and generally making the masses think we have signed world beaters . Now it's certainly early days but a chunk of these signings look very raw indeed and a couple of them are looking like liabilities ( I put Baptiste in that Bracket). 

Obviously he's going to hype them up. It would be no use saying "They're a bit shite, but this is where we're at."

It feels a bit like people are expecting us to play like a Championship side who've suddenly found out they're in League 2 for no reason. We are a League 2 side. We have signed League 2 players. We have an exciting young manager who is looking to take us forward. It might take months. Give it a chance.

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3 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

That's your opinion.  Mine is either the personnel or the system has to change.  I dont care if I'm completely wrong as long as we improve but my opinion is that starting line up/system wont win games in the EFL.

One game into the season.

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Just now, Cheese said:

Obviously he's going to hype them up. It would be no use saying "They're a bit shite, but this is where we're at."

It feels a bit like people are expecting us to play like a Championship side who have found themselves to be in League 2  for no reason. We are a League 2 side. We have signed League 2 players, and we have an exciting young manager who is looking to take us forward. Give them a chance.

He can't complain then when the hype isn't matching their actual abilities ( at the minute) and people start to wonder how these players are suddenly going to turn it around. The defending today wasn't players getting to know each other it was a collective of headless chickens seemingly not knowing were they should be playing let alone being able to implement a precise system .

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Another loss sick of losing getting really fed up with it different manager different players same result . Today defence was ponderous at best wing backs clueless midfield non existent nothing as changed since the Crewe friendly.

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1 minute ago, dusan nikolic said:

He can't complain then when the hype isn't matching their actual abilities ( at the minute) and people start to wonder how these players are suddenly going to turn it around. The defending today wasn't players getting to know each other it was a collective of headless chickens seemingly not knowing were they should be playing let alone being able to implement a precise system .

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He hasnt complained has he? He's said it was a disappointing performance, and there's a lot of work to do, which I think we'd all agree with. And we only lost 1-0. You make it sound like we conceded 6.

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He hasnt complained has he? He's said it was a disappointing performance, and there's a lot of work to do, which I think we'd all agree with. And we only lost 1-0. You make it sound like we conceded 6.

Against a decent team we may well do , let's see how we fare away from home . 

I sincerely hope you prove me wrong , but that showing was very poor but you seem loathe to admit there is any problems at all , have you actually got any criticism about that performance or do you just cling on to blind faith that it will get better .

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22 minutes ago, Cheese said:

One game into the season.

Its not just one game as you know, this has been going on for a few games now.  If Crawford's playing, we're OK going forward but terrible defending, if Crawford's not playing we're terrible all over.  If you think that's going to change just by hoping for the best, fine, but I disagree and am happy to be proved wrong.

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1 minute ago, dusan nikolic said:

Against a decent team we may well do , let's see how we fare away from home . 

I sincerely hope you prove me wrong , but that showing was very poor but you seem loathe to admit there is any problems at all , have you actually got any criticism about that performance or do you just cling on to blind faith that it will get better .

It was a very poor performance. I just think it's far too early to start criticising tactics or players. We are in League 2. We will perform worse than that and win games.

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It was a very poor performance. I just think it's far too early to start criticising tactics or players. We are in League 2. We will perform worse than that and win games.

Like I say nothing will please me more than you being a 100% correct , a lot of work to be done though and perhaps a couple more signings yet.

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Just now, Johnnyrotten said:

Its not just one game as you know, this has been going on for a few games now.  If Crawford's playing, we're OK going forward but terrible defending, if Crawford's not playing we're terrible all over.  If you think that's going to change just by hoping for the best, fine, but I disagree and am happy to be proved wrong.

I don't think anything will change by just "hoping for the best". I  just believe we will get better. How do you intend to change things?

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1 minute ago, dusan nikolic said:

Like I say nothing will please me more than you being a 100% correct , a lot of work to be done though and perhaps a couple more signings yet.

I'm not making any predictions, so there's nothing for me to be 'correct' about.

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2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I don't think anything will change by just "hoping for the best". I  just believe we will get better. How do you intend to change things?

4-4-2.  Crawford and Darcy to start.  A maximum of 1 of Greenidge and Santos to start.  Centre backs picked on ability to defend, not so called footballing ability.  Crawford, Tutte or White to take the ball off the centre backs to build attacks. Sign a winger.

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4 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

4-4-2.  Crawford and Darcy to start.  A maximum of 1 of Greenidge and Santos to start.  Centre backs picked on ability to defend, not so called footballing ability.  Crawford, Tutte or White to take the ball off the centre backs to build attacks. Sign a winger.

How are you going to implement that then? Are you going to send a letter to Ian Evatt?

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12 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Eh?

People like you who have basically made apologies for absolute dross over the last 10 years have helped to put us were we are now . That performance today was terrible and clueless . The 100% comment regarded your optimism that things will improve.

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9 minutes ago, dusan nikolic said:

People like you who have basically made apologies for absolute dross over the last 10 years have helped to put us were we are now . That performance today was terrible and clueless . 

Think you've had a few too many mate. Today's performance was awful. You must have got carried away with the "WE'RE GONNA WIN THE LEAGUE" shite, hence your disappointment. No need to take it out on anyone else though.

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6 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Think you've had a few too many mate. Today's performance was awful. You must have got carried away with the "WE'RE GONNA WIN THE LEAGUE" shite, hence your disappointment. No need to take it out on anyone else though.

Your the blind optimist,  I don't expect world beaters but I do expect players to be able to pass a ball to one another from 5 feet away . 

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6 minutes ago, dusan nikolic said:

Your the blind optimist,  I don't expect world beaters but I do expect players to be able to pass a ball to one another from 5 feet away . 

Not at all. Just think it's too early to judge. We'll be reet. Chill your boots 👍 Might be a discussion worth having in a couple of months, but not now, after a single league game. Evatt lost 8 of his first 12 at Barrow, and they won the League (technically)...

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