Offshore Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, Burndens Bogs said: I don’t think punk was ever intended to stick around for long. Prog rock lends itself to 65-70 year old musicians still playing, punk never did imo - 2/3 years then evolve or disappear. What I'm saying is there is still an audience for rock/prog rock, but punk was and is still, very much a niche audience. It didn't change the world, it just made the news for a couple of years in the seventies. Yes there are still punks aged late 60's-70's, but it's not a major music genre . As for evolve or disappear, which punk bands from the mid seventies evolved who are still around today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burndens Bogs Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Offshore said: What I'm saying is there is still an audience for rock/prog rock, but punk was and is still, very much a niche audience. It didn't change the world, it just made the news for a couple of years in the seventies. Yes there are still punks aged late 60's-70's, but it's not a major music genre . As for evolve or disappear, which punk bands from the mid seventies evolved who are still around today? The bands you mentioned - Pink Floyd, Genesis and Yes were formed in the 60’s and were filling large venues long before punk came along. There weren’t many British punk bands around in the mid 70’s, most were formed a year or two later. The Stranglers evolved and still play live,U2 evolved from the late 70’s Punk scene, SLF are still gigging on a minor scale as are Sham 69, maybe the Damned, UK Subs and one or two others. Punk was never followed by the same amount of folk as Prog rock, it being more of a cult movement with a younger audience. Edited September 12, 2020 by Burndens Bogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dusan nikolic Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, Offshore said: What I'm saying is there is still an audience for rock/prog rock, but punk was and is still, very much a niche audience. It didn't change the world, it just made the news for a couple of years in the seventies. Yes there are still punks aged late 60's-70's, but it's not a major music genre . As for evolve or disappear, which punk bands from the mid seventies evolved who are still around today? I think punk made music accessible for kids again , you didn't have to know how to perform 20 minute keyboard solos to release a song . The music may not have an initial longevity, but punk changed Culture and Fashion , up to a few years ago the Nirvana's and Oasis's etc all cited Punk as a major influence , you don't hear any bands say that about Genesis or the like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green genie Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 8 hours ago, Burndens Bogs said: The bands you mentioned - Pink Floyd, Genesis and Yes were formed in the 60’s and were filling large venues long before punk came along. There weren’t many British punk bands around in the mid 70’s, most were formed a year or two later. The Stranglers evolved and still play live,U2 evolved from the late 70’s Punk scene, SLF are still gigging on a minor scale as are Sham 69, maybe the Damned, UK Subs and one or two others. Punk was never followed by the same amount of folk as Prog rock, it being more of a cult movement with a younger audience. Warsaw didnt do too bad for themselves in terms of evolving Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted September 13, 2020 Author Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) 11 hours ago, Offshore said: What I'm saying is there is still an audience for rock/prog rock, but punk was and is still, very much a niche audience. It didn't change the world, it just made the news for a couple of years in the seventies. Yes there are still punks aged late 60's-70's, but it's not a major music genre . As for evolve or disappear, which punk bands from the mid seventies evolved who are still around today? Punk didnt change the world? Not a major musical genre? Give your head a wobble. It changed the face of music, without it you wouldn't have a plethora of bands. Just because ELO still play arenas doesn't lessen the impact. Just Google Sex Pistols Manchester and see how many bands came from watching that gig from Bernard Sumner to Mick bloody Hucknall- it inspired young people to pick up instruments, that music wasn't just in the hands of huge bands. As Rick Wakeman famously said, it was like turning up at work and being told you were obsolete overnight. Punk's longevity isn't measured on bands being around- that was never the point - punk's legacy is still seismic in everything that came after. I suggest you read some books by Jon Savage. Thats doesn't mean to say I don't like ELO though, but please, didnt change the world? It changed everything, from literature to fashion. Edited September 13, 2020 by Not in Crawley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted September 13, 2020 Members Share Posted September 13, 2020 Punk was a massive moment in music. So many bands spawned from that short spell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted September 13, 2020 Author Share Posted September 13, 2020 In Britain it was more than just that - 1977 was a cultural year zero, it rebooted a country, gave a voice to what was happening and ushered in a new era away from the 60s and early 70s. No Jam, no Bowie, no Nirvana, no Pulp, no Joy Divison, no..... could be here all day. But aye, let's reduce it to The Lurkers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 23 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: In Britain it was more than just that - 1977 was a cultural year zero, it rebooted a country, gave a voice to what was happening and ushered in a new era away from the 60s and early 70s. No Jam, no Bowie, no Nirvana, no Pulp, no Joy Divison, no..... could be here all day. But aye, let's reduce it to The Lurkers Bowie came before punk. You can not claim him. The fact punk / new wave generated the Jam alone makes it a significant movement. Watch TOTP from say 1975 and then post 1977 the impact is immense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted September 13, 2020 Author Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Ani said: Bowie came before punk. You can not claim him. The fact punk / new wave generated the Jam alone makes it a significant movement. Watch TOTP from say 1975 and then post 1977 the impact is immense. Oh we can, despite his folk leanings. Also I've lived in Bromley all told for a fair while so he's totally claimed. But yes in all seriousness you are right, Bowie influenced punk not the other way round. Edited September 13, 2020 by Not in Crawley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burndens Bogs Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) I watched an old TOTP on BBC2 last night from 1980 and you could see the influence punk had on some of the bands at the time - The Pretenders,Madness,The Beat,The Vapors,Bad Manners etc.That same influence ran through the rest of the 80’s/90’s and right up to the present day. Like Crawley rightly says,1976/1977 changed music for the better. Edited September 13, 2020 by Burndens Bogs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted September 13, 2020 Moderators Share Posted September 13, 2020 Prince > Bowie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted September 13, 2020 Members Share Posted September 13, 2020 44 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: Prince > Bowie I like you Zico. Even with your cowboy boots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted September 13, 2020 Author Share Posted September 13, 2020 54 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: Prince > Bowie Deary, deary me 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted September 13, 2020 Moderators Share Posted September 13, 2020 37 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: Deary, deary me 😄 Whatever Bowie has done, Prince has done too Prince has done stuff Bowie hasn't End of the day, nether are under rated, I just can't get into Bowie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted September 13, 2020 Author Share Posted September 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: Whatever Bowie has done, Prince has done too Prince has done stuff Bowie hasn't End of the day, nether are under rated, I just can't get into Bowie Must have missed Prince creating glam rock, resurrecting carrers of rock icons, culturally changing Britain for many. I do remember a song about a corvette though, a Tom Jones cover version and silly shaped guitars 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 1 hour ago, ZicoKelly said: Prince > Bowie Frankly I'm aghast. Prince only ever wrote one half decent song and that was the Batman theme music Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 13 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: Prince has done stuff Bowie hasn't Had one of his ribs removed so he can suck his own knob? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted September 13, 2020 Moderators Share Posted September 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said: Must have missed Prince creating glam rock, resurrecting carrers of rock icons, culturally changing Britain for many. I do remember a song about a corvette though, a Tom Jones cover version and silly shaped guitars 😉 Prince fused black and white music together which brought audiences together He won a couple of oscars by the time he was 25 for purple rain Few years later, bowie did labyrinth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted September 13, 2020 Author Share Posted September 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, kent_white said: Frankly I'm aghast. Prince only ever wrote one half decent song and that was the Batman theme music That Doves song is good, and nothing compares 2 U is up there. But 3 hour wankathon concerts scrub this from his good work list, as does the song Gold, and Could U be (the most blah blah blah blah) calling his home Paisley Park and having a bum fluff mustache. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted September 13, 2020 Author Share Posted September 13, 2020 Just now, ZicoKelly said: Prince fused black and white music together which brought audiences together He won a couple of oscars by the time he was 25 for purple rain Few years later, bowie did labyrinth Are you really calling Purple Rain a cinematic masterpiece? Up there with Cool as Ice for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted September 13, 2020 Author Share Posted September 13, 2020 Also, no one before prince fused white and black music? I give you pop music from Bill Haley onwards..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted September 13, 2020 Moderators Share Posted September 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: Are you really calling Purple Rain a cinematic masterpiece? Up there with Cool as Ice for me. No, but sound track was great, hence the oscars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted September 13, 2020 Moderators Share Posted September 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: That Doves song is good, and nothing compares 2 U is up there. But 3 hour wankathon concerts scrub this from his good work list, as does the song Gold, and Could U be (the most blah blah blah blah) calling his home Paisley Park and having a bum fluff mustache. Says the bob dylan fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: No, but sound track was great, hence the oscars The Muppets were robbed that year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 1 minute ago, ZicoKelly said: Says the bob dylan fan I'm with you on that. One of the worst sets I've ever sat through. And I sat through it with Crawley! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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