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28 minutes ago, Sweep said:

I don't think there would be a shortage of people wanting to watch it

At first, maybe not. Give it a couple of of years and let's see how much interest there is in another Dortmund/Barcelona fixture. The UCL is getting a bit like that now.

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Cunts the lot of them. Premier league can fuck off Knee bending, virtue signalling shower of shit. 

He's still a rat-faced cunt.

Why should the taxpayer subsidise football when there is more than enough money in the game to do it itself? The PL earns more than the next four biggest European leagues combined. Oliver Dowden inter

Simon Jordan is right, the government want the gates shut they need to put their hands in their pockets 

HMRC brings in enough revenue in 2 weeks from football to sort out the EFL for the season 

Or just let crowds in with limited capacity like they are doing all over the World 

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1 hour ago, birch-chorley said:

Simon Jordan is right, the government want the gates shut they need to put their hands in their pockets 

HMRC brings in enough revenue in 2 weeks from football to sort out the EFL for the season 

Or just let crowds in with limited capacity like they are doing all over the World 

Why should the taxpayer subsidise football when there is more than enough money in the game to do it itself? The PL earns more than the next four biggest European leagues combined. Oliver Dowden interviewed this morning isn’t fooled. He maintains its for football to sort itself and he’s right and he did add that if they didn’t it was maybe time for government and the FA to consider changing the rules on football governance completely. Well done to him I say and it’s high time these greedy, selfish, largely foreign tossers and that’s players and owners, were prevented from destroying football in this country any more than they already have. The PL was always a disaster waiting to happen so let’s hope it’s nadir is close and if the big 6, 8 or whatever want to F off to Europe, good luck but don’t think you’re coming back after.

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2 hours ago, birch-chorley said:

HMRC brings in enough revenue in 2 weeks from football to sort out the EFL for the season 

In 2017, HMRC collected £3.3bn from Premier league clubs & players.

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7 hours ago, Whitesince63 said:

Why should the taxpayer subsidise football when there is more than enough money in the game to do it itself? The PL earns more than the next four biggest European leagues combined. Oliver Dowden interviewed this morning isn’t fooled. He maintains its for football to sort itself and he’s right and he did add that if they didn’t it was maybe time for government and the FA to consider changing the rules on football governance completely. Well done to him I say and it’s high time these greedy, selfish, largely foreign tossers and that’s players and owners, were prevented from destroying football in this country any more than they already have. The PL was always a disaster waiting to happen so let’s hope it’s nadir is close and if the big 6, 8 or whatever want to F off to Europe, good luck but don’t think you’re coming back after.

The government should subsidies any business they are forcing to close, the alternative is allowing them to trade IMO 

I don’t see why the PL should fund the EFL any more than Adele (worth £200m) and other rich song artist should fund club singers up and down the country who aren’t allowed to earn money 

Football could look after itself quite easily if the HMRC differed a couple of weeks PAYE / NI / VAT that it takes in from the clubs and TV packages 

Also, not sure what you have against ‘foreigners’, a bit bizarre 

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What exactly is the root and branch reform that Utd, Liverpool and Parry are suggesting for the EFL?  Reduce the league by 2, limit promotion to the Prem, do away with a cup competition?

It looks like a "Here's a few million for you all to go away.  We're off to make our exclusive club even more exclusive.  See ya"

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1 minute ago, Duck Egg said:

What exactly is the root and branch reform that Utd, Liverpool and Parry are suggesting for the EFL?  Reduce the league by 2, limit promotion to the Prem, do away with a cup competition?

It looks like a "Here's a few million for you all to go away.  We're off to make our exclusive club even more exclusive.  See ya"

Not seen the full proposal but apparently the EFL will get 25% of PL Profits (although some papers quoted this as Revenue which would be ridiculously huge) 

However, the amount of ‘profit’ the PL makes would now be at the discretion of the ‘Big 6’ 

A bad year for TV deals and who’s to say that a bigger % of the TV money is given to the PL clubs leaving less ‘profit’ to go to the EFL 

Its a short term deal and it stinks that Parry supports it for me 

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48 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Not seen the full proposal but apparently the EFL will get 25% of PL Profits (although some papers quoted this as Revenue which would be ridiculously huge) 

However, the amount of ‘profit’ the PL makes would now be at the discretion of the ‘Big 6’ 

A bad year for TV deals and who’s to say that a bigger % of the TV money is given to the PL clubs leaving less ‘profit’ to go to the EFL 

Its a short term deal and it stinks that Parry supports it for me 

25% of revenue? Crikey 

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It's 25% of the profit from the TV deal.

20 clubs currently get 5% each, if they're cutting 2 clubs, there's 10% saved already, so effectively PL clubs would end up with 4.17% and 25% goes to EFL.

Current deal is around £150m per club, so each PL club in the new 18-team league would be approx £25m worse off, assuming all of the current deal is classed as profit, which is highly unlikely.

Firstly £25m buys you a shit left back nowadays, so the clubs can manage without it. The big issue is the redistribution of that money by the EFL.

 

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12 minutes ago, Traf said:

It's 25% of the profit from the TV deal.

20 clubs currently get 5% each, if they're cutting 2 clubs, there's 10% saved already, so effectively PL clubs would end up with 4.17% and 25% goes to EFL.

Current deal is around £150m per club, so each PL club in the new 18-team league would be approx £25m worse off, assuming all of the current deal is classed as profit, which is highly unlikely.

Firstly £25m buys you a shit left back nowadays, so the clubs can manage without it. The big issue is the redistribution of that money by the EFL.

 

So then TV money needs to be distributed more evenly. Let’s says there’s is a big pot. If you finish top of the Prem you get the biggest share, bottom of the FL gets the lowest share 

Is the problem not then with PL being a separate entity to the FL?  That gap needs to be closed but this is a case of pull the ladder up jack and sod the rest.

Whilst were in a pandemic IMO The government make a lot of money off Football so what they’ve made should be reinvested back into clubs who don’t have much revenue coming in. 
If the PL clubs have to contribute then they should get that back or pay a lower tax for a certain amount of years

Or Bozza should open the he bastard stadiums and we’ll crack on. 

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For me, im not sure why the prem or the top 6 even want anything in return ffs.

They didnt invent football, its just sick.

Rich foreign owners, and greed.

£20 mill each club should just be taken off them every year, it should go all the way down to grass roots.

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5 minutes ago, meanderson93 said:

Sounds like we've tentatively backed the proposal.

 

Feels like we're all being held to ransom here. 

I'm hoping it's more a case of us being agreeable to the start of a proper conversation around the future of the game, not an endorsement of this specific plan.

Hoping.

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13 hours ago, Underpants said:

At first, maybe not. Give it a couple of of years and let's see how much interest there is in another Dortmund/Barcelona fixture. The UCL is getting a bit like that now.

Indeed. Can't see too many fans of other top clubs not in a European league being overly arsed at all.

In particular, of tv coverage is still widely available of top flight English football. 

If they're all in the same league then maybe because results have a bearing on your own team and because of rivalries. 

If they've gone, the rivalries start to disappear and they become less relevant. 

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2 hours ago, Traf said:

It's 25% of the profit from the TV deal.

20 clubs currently get 5% each, if they're cutting 2 clubs, there's 10% saved already, so effectively PL clubs would end up with 4.17% and 25% goes to EFL.

Current deal is around £150m per club, so each PL club in the new 18-team league would be approx £25m worse off, assuming all of the current deal is classed as profit, which is highly unlikely.



 

can you explain all that again, in the context of Twixes please?

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24 minutes ago, Sweep said:

can you explain all that again, in the context of Twixes please?

Of course.

Currently 20 clubs get 30 Twixes each from a pot of 600 Twixes

They're suggesting throwing 150 Twixes to the paupers at the EFL in the same way you'd throw the crust off a sandwich at a duck.

This leaves 450 Twixes, but they're going to fuck 2 clubs off and spilt the 450 between 18, so they all get 25 each.

End result is a loss of 5 Twix per club in the new 18-team league, which is roughly the price of a shit left back or an unproven English teenager.

 

Basic Twixonomics, mate.

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18 minutes ago, Traf said:

Of course.

Currently 20 clubs get 30 Twixes each from a pot of 600 Twixes

They're suggesting throwing 150 Twixes to the paupers at the EFL in the same way you'd throw the crust off a sandwich at a duck.

This leaves 450 Twixes, but they're going to fuck 2 clubs off and spilt the 450 between 18, so they all get 25 each.

End result is a loss of 5 Twix per club in the new 18-team league, which is roughly the price of a shit left back or an unproven English teenager.

 

Basic Twixonomics, mate.

Don’t see Rishi doing that, SUNAK OUT

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The issue is this in my mind -

It's the TV deals that generate the most income  -  $11 billion between 2019 - 2022 for the Prem.

Take the Top 6 out of the equation and the TV income will drop like a stone. Everton V Leicester would be your biggest match of the season. The London Derby would be Crystal Palace V West Ham.

If the Champions league grows and becomes more attractive to the foreign TV companies than the Prem, all the clubs in the English Pyramid get poorer, apart from those in Europe, and the gap between Top 6 and the rest grows anyway. 

I think the big picture is shit for mid table Prem teams, but better for everyone else, when compared to the alternative of reducing TV deal money - the Top 6 can't lose either way

 

Liverpool got paid £4m for playing 2 games in the world club championship - you get £100k if you win the League cup.

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29 minutes ago, BOWTUN BAKED said:

Did I read that they were getting rid of parachute payments as part of this deal? 

If so, aren't they better off?

Yep, but they're not publicising that bit as a financial benefit to themselves, it's being sold as preventing relegated clubs having an unfair advantage on other EFL clubs.

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