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40 minutes ago, desperado said:

It was partly a post from you that got me thinking along these lines. You claimed that picking Crellin and losing Tuesday, could make his job untenable. 

So is it too big of a thing to be discussing and debating?

Even without that wild claim (which I think you’ve since rescinded), the controversy that surrounded IEs post match Cambridge comments, the importance of such a position, the arguable lack of options to replace him, the debatable decision as to whether Tuesday/Saturday is the time to replace him, makes this a more relevant and important discussion than whether Taft should be selected Tuesday and how he’s feeling about not being in the team.

I'm not saying its not up for debate, for me any BWFC topic is up for debate whether its who the goalie is or what colour the socks should be.  My point was meant to be that we're talking about it as if its really significant to change the keeper, as against any other position.  Taft and Greenidge had 1 or 2 dodgy games, and were dropped, and havent been seen again upto now.  They weren't treated with kid gloves (no pun intended), worrying about the impact on them personally, they were just left out for a spell.  That's what IE should be doing with Crellin, no drama, just 1 squad player having a rest while he concentrates on practise and training and comes back better hopefully.

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Jesus fucking wept. There isn't a single negative to take from Gilks' performance last night. We played for 90 minutes without a glaring goalkeeping error, something I can't remember happening so

Crellins heads gone, yes he's a professional player but beleive me the harder he'll try the worse it'll get for him at the moment, he'll be in the club houses after games embarrassed and ashamed I can

according to a mutual friend, BC doesnt think he'll play for us again... could well be bollocks 

6 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I'm not saying its not up for debate, for me any BWFC topic is up for debate whether its who the goalie is or what colour the socks should be.  My point was meant to be that we're talking about it as if its really significant to change the keeper, as against any other position.  Taft and Greenidge had 1 or 2 dodgy games, and were dropped, and havent been seen again upto now.  They weren't treated with kid gloves (no pun intended), worrying about the impact on them personally, they were just left out for a spell.  That's what IE should be doing with Crellin, no drama, just 1 squad player having a rest while he concentrates on practise and training and comes back better hopefully.

But that’s just it. IE/Press have made it a drama because of his comments and  because of the obvious direct impact this has on the team getting results. The same can’t be said for other players/positions 

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One scenario that hasn’t been considered, which, (while not many of us expect) isn’t beyond the realms of possibilities. What happens if we win and Crellin has a good game Tuesday? Far too positive a thought for some to consider I know. 

I’d still give him a rest for the cup game, hope Alexander/Gilks has a good game too, which then gives IE a positive decision to make. A choice between 2 keepers who had good games on their last outings. Blue sky predictions I know and based on evidence so far, unlikely. But we shouldn’t rule it out.

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2 minutes ago, desperado said:

One scenario that hasn’t been considered, which, (while not many of us expect) isn’t beyond the realms of possibilities. What happens if we win and Crellin has a good game Tuesday? Far too positive a thought for some to consider I know. 

I’d still give him a rest for the cup game, hope Alexander/Gilks has a good game too, which then gives IE a positive decision to make. A choice between 2 keepers who had good games on their last outings. Blue sky predictions I know and based on evidence so far, unlikely. But we shouldn’t rule it out.

I think we'd all like Crellin to play and have a good game. It just feels highly unlikely.

Every game he's played just there have been mistakes. We've been extremely fortunate those errors haven't been punished as much as they should've been. The Bradford game being a prime example.

At what point does IE say enough is enough? I'd say that point has come.

 

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7 minutes ago, DazBob said:

At what point does IE say enough is enough? I'd say that point has come.

I tend to agree. Although I can see IE doing it Saturday rather than Tuesday and while it wouldn’t be my choice, I think there’s an argument/reason to see why. 

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12 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Evatt signed this lad he needs to carry the can if he’s not up to it

options are very limited 

Carry the can

What does that mean

Every manager makes signings that dont work out

Even ferguson went through a few keepers and he could have anybody he wanted

 

As for an in house replacement, i remember keeping a clean sheet v coventry but alexander was easily as dodgy as crellin

So, it has to be gilkes if hes up to it

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12 minutes ago, desperado said:

I tend to agree. Although I can see IE doing it Saturday rather than Tuesday and while it wouldn’t be my choice, I think there’s an argument/reason to see why. 

like i said, the best way out of this for us and crellin, is fleetwood calling him back

Hes been weak from day one in the air, but i hoped his shot stopping and general passing would outweigh his deficiencies

His heads mashed and hes not even stopping shots

We still give too many free kicks way, though

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16 minutes ago, Casino said:

Carry the can

What does that mean

Every manager makes signings that dont work out

Even ferguson went through a few keepers and he could have anybody he wanted

 

As for an in house replacement, i remember keeping a clean sheet v coventry but alexander was easily as dodgy as crellin

So, it has to be gilkes if hes up to it

I do agree on Alexander and he got lucky v Coventry, don’t know anything about this gilkes fella

carry the can means not having adequate back up you start from the back and get a decent keeper 

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fair enough

Ive never taken any interest in gilkes other than knowing him at blackpool

You would hope if hes still fit, he would be a step up

Ive got fingers crossed he gets recalled and we are allowed an emergency replacement

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47 minutes ago, Casino said:

Carry the can

What does that mean

Every manager makes signings that dont work out

Even ferguson went through a few keepers and he could have anybody he wanted

 

As for an in house replacement, i remember keeping a clean sheet v coventry but alexander was easily as dodgy as crellin

So, it has to be gilkes if hes up to it

Carry the can as in he has left us in the dilemma of having an inexperienced keeper who's having a mare with no obvious alternative, as made all the more obvious by not picking a keeper on the bench... I'm not shouting for Evatts head just yet but it's reckless & if it costs him his job he can have no complaints. 

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18 minutes ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

Carry the can as in he has left us in the dilemma of having an inexperienced keeper who's having a mare with no obvious alternative, as made all the more obvious by not picking a keeper on the bench... I'm not shouting for Evatts head just yet but it's reckless & if it costs him his job he can have no complaints. 

I think this is a good summary.  He can pick Baptiste in goal if he wants if results are positive but if we are losing most weeks its natural that its questioned.  Same with no keeper on the bench, its fine if we don't get caught out but if the No 1 gets sent off or injured 2 or 3 times in the season it could be the difference between success and failure and he cant complain if it costs him his job.  In summary, he's inviting trouble and he needs to make it work.

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