Sweep Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 13 minutes ago, Rudy said: They might have to fly the chair to him but I see your point just wire him up to a generator at the airport, nice and easy. It'll mean that as he doesn't take the flight he's paid for, he'll be helping reduce carbon emissions slightly, just before he pops off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said: What law? That's the issue, there is no laws governing social media other than their own rules. They are NOT culpable for what their users write, did you see Zuckerberg in front of the senetae committee, this is the issue. Last summer, all large media companies stopped using Facebook advertising for a short time due to its lack of policy around race hate. Again all independently done, FB issued a statement about working on this issue and the media company's jumped back on. As a friend of mine said, it was the toughest few weeks as where would the spend go, especially when trad media and OOH are being given away as no one is watching/our of their homes. They are monopolies, they are beholden to none but themselves. The eco system that they feed is built on sand, but without them thousands of businesses would be fucked, again which is why the gvts don't step in. This is unhealthy. As I say, Trump has done one good thing, his dragged this issue directly into the mainstream and now there will have to be action. No laws governing social media? If someone goes on Facebook and threatens to kill someone, stalks them, racially abuses someone, defrauds themetc etc they can be charged and convicted for that offence. If such acts are part of a wider group say, making ongoing threats, then Facebook have a responsibility to close that down, as whoever it is, are not only breaking Facebook users rules but UK law as well. Twitter cant turn a blind eye to users on its platform breaking the law, any more than this site can,can it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 There is a real fine line here. On the one hand of course they need to deal with what happened last week. On the other they have to avoid fanning the flames that caused last week. No idea context of the clip above but unless the guy has been formally charged and travel restrictions imposed is it right to stop him flying ? Equally if they do let him fly and he does something crazy what are the consequences ? A real fucking mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Ani said: There is a real fine line here. On the one hand of course they need to deal with what happened last week. On the other they have to avoid fanning the flames that caused last week. No idea context of the clip above but unless the guy has been formally charged and travel restrictions imposed is it right to stop him flying ? Equally if they do let him fly and he does something crazy what are the consequences ? A real fucking mess. From what I can gather he's got through security as he's not on a criminal no fly list but the individual airline has said he can't fly on their plane due to him being a potential terror threat. Hence why he's having his tantrum rather than being arrested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted January 11, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Rudy said: God bless murica I just read that he got thrown off for refusing to wear a mask, nothing to do with the attack on the Capitol Building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted January 11, 2021 Author Members Share Posted January 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, Cheese said: I just read that he got thrown off for refusing to wear a mask, nothing to do with the attack on the Capitol Building. Hang on a minute? Twitter isn't a legitimate news source with on the ball fact checkers? I’ll just stick to the daily sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted January 11, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted January 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Rudy said: Hang on a minute? Twitter isn't a legitimate news source with on the ball fact checkers? I’ll just stick to the daily sport Either way, it's still funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 52 minutes ago, Duck Egg said: No laws governing social media? If someone goes on Facebook and threatens to kill someone, stalks them, racially abuses someone, defrauds themetc etc they can be charged and convicted for that offence. If such acts are part of a wider group say, making ongoing threats, then Facebook have a responsibility to close that down, as whoever it is, are not only breaking Facebook users rules but UK law as well. Twitter cant turn a blind eye to users on its platform breaking the law, any more than this site can,can it? Exactly the point..... The individual can get in trouble, there are no specific regualtion for the companies themselves, and they themsleves cannot distance themsleves by saying, 'oh its just a platform'. Every form of media has regualtion - print, OOH, linear TV, everything. Social media does not, and it has more power then all of them currently. It was only last month Ofcom was confirmed as the UKs regualtor for SM with the power to fine. Last month! Dec 2020. I mean, let that sink in. The platforms HAVE to take some responsibility, not just for the content, but for their overall business model and the openess to outside influence. Twitter/FB/Tick Toc can turn a blind eye, as they won't get in trouble. The only reason they act is to stop people moving away from the platforms because they think they are culpable. It is a PR move to keep people on the platform. Social media is only as valueable as the amount of users it has, if people stop using Twitter because of Trump, the platform will condem it. Don't believe this is an altrusitic act. It is a commercial imperative. Social media platforms have washed their hands of responsibility in a way no other companies can. Even last month the UK started on further accountability for the firms https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-leads-the-way-in-a-new-age-of-accountability-for-social-media And to go back to the original point as feeling uncomfortable about Trump getting banned, its not becasue I agree with Trump but that free speech should not fall under the remit of tech companies, rather than a country's own legislation voted on by elected representatives who are accountable to us, rather than shareholders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 50 minutes ago, Rudy said: Hang on a minute? Twitter isn't a legitimate news source with on the ball fact checkers? I’ll just stick to the daily sport Everything on Twitter is true, not like the lie filled MSM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted January 11, 2021 Author Members Share Posted January 11, 2021 https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/2-men-who-brought-restraints-into-senate-during-d-c-insurrection-have-been-arrested-authorities/ One of the fellas who was arrested was identified by his ex-wife. Splendid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 11, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted January 11, 2021 Arnold Schwarzenegger hasn't pulled his punches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 44 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: Exactly the point..... The individual can get in trouble, there are no specific regualtion for the companies themselves, and they themsleves cannot distance themsleves by saying, 'oh its just a platform'. Every form of media has regualtion - print, OOH, linear TV, everything. Social media does not, and it has more power then all of them currently. It was only last month Ofcom was confirmed as the UKs regualtor for SM with the power to fine. Last month! Dec 2020. I mean, let that sink in. The platforms HAVE to take some responsibility, not just for the content, but for their overall business model and the openess to outside influence. Twitter/FB/Tick Toc can turn a blind eye, as they won't get in trouble. The only reason they act is to stop people moving away from the platforms because they think they are culpable. It is a PR move to keep people on the platform. Social media is only as valueable as the amount of users it has, if people stop using Twitter because of Trump, the platform will condem it. Don't believe this is an altrusitic act. It is a commercial imperative. Social media platforms have washed their hands of responsibility in a way no other companies can. Even last month the UK started on further accountability for the firms https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-leads-the-way-in-a-new-age-of-accountability-for-social-media And to go back to the original point as feeling uncomfortable about Trump getting banned, its not becasue I agree with Trump but that free speech should not fall under the remit of tech companies, rather than a country's own legislation voted on by elected representatives who are accountable to us, rather than shareholders. It's not a free speech issue, it's a monopoly of the market issue. Facebook, Twitter, etc. are within their rights to remove anyone they want from their platforms because they are private companies. However, the problem is that it's less that they dominate the market and more that they are the market. Ditto Google Play / Apple's App Store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted January 11, 2021 Author Members Share Posted January 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Arnold Schwarzenegger hasn't pulled his punches. Coming from a republican as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted January 11, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Rudy said: Hang on a minute? Twitter isn't a legitimate news source with on the ball fact checkers? I’ll just stick to the daily sport Bet he wore a mask whilst attacking federal buildings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 34 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: It's not a free speech issue, it's a monopoly of the market issue. Facebook, Twitter, etc. are within their rights to remove anyone they want from their platforms because they are private companies. However, the problem is that it's less that they dominate the market and more that they are the market. Ditto Google Play / Apple's App Store. Again, thats the issue as the two are inextricably linked because of what the platforms do. To say it's one and not the other misunderstands the premise on what the regulation issues rest on. Although you are right, regulation isn't the end answer, less monopolies are key (have a look at the article I posted) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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e2e4 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) be funny when joeb does exactly what trump has been threatening for years and breaks up google and the likes , and goes one step further and forces everyone on the US version of chinas weibo or whatever. "oops weve locked your facebook account, to prove youre you send a hi res scan of your passport to GOVbook.com and we'll migrate the stuff over. " its only about one step away from what facebook asks for now. Edited January 11, 2021 by e2e4 typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sweep Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, jmjhb said: Fuck, I didn't know thing were that serious. Anybody know what time Sunday/Monday, as I've got stuff to do, and ideally if this happens, then I don't need to do any preparation for my meetings, which will be a right result Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjhb Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, e2e4 said: be funny when joeb does exactly what trump has been threatening for years and breaks up google and the likes , and goes one step further and forces everyone on the US version of chinas weibo or whatever. "oops weve locked your facebook account, to prove youre you send a hi res scan of your passport to GOVbook.com and we'll migrate the stuff over. " its only about one step away from what facebook asks for now. Parler, the last bastion of Freedom™, was asking for Social Security numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e2e4 Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Qanonparticipants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, jmjhb said: Parler, the last bastion of Freedom™, was asking for Social Security numbers They are now off line, Amazon pulled their servers at midnight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, Sweep said: Fuck, I didn't know thing were that serious. Anybody know what time Sunday/Monday, as I've got stuff to do, and ideally if this happens, then I don't need to do any preparation for my meetings, which will be a right result Depends where you are in the world silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyldesley_white Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 20 minutes ago, jmjhb said: Some people will believe any shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Just now, tyldesley_white said: Some people will believe any shit surely nobody is insane enough to think that might be true, surely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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