Not in Crawley Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Francis Fogarty said: @Not in Crawley Crawley, is your nana Lillian Collier? Bessie (Elizabeth) was father Alan's mum. Lillian had two daughters, one was called Hazel but I can't think of the other daughter Heather maybe? Father Alan's wife was Violet but was known to all as Val. All this from Mrs. Fogarty who used to take Bessie to Everton to watch Bally jun. She used to take her to Preston when Bally Sr. was manager there. Yes she was Lilian. Hazel is my mum, Heather, obviously my aunty. My uncle is Hadrian. Wow, who is Mrs. F? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter FrancisFogarty Posted December 23, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted December 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: Yes she was Lilian. Hazel is my mum, Heather, obviously my aunty. My uncle is Hadrian. Wow, who is Mrs. F? Mrs. Fogarty used to know the family from the pubs, Shuttle and Canary in Farnworth. Her dad had a younger brother Thomas who was married to an Emily who was related in some way to Val Ball. She was Anthea Bentley of Glynne Street. Small world ,eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 30 minutes ago, Francis Fogarty said: Mrs. Fogarty used to know the family from the pubs, Shuttle and Canary in Farnworth. Her dad had a younger brother Thomas who was married to an Emily who was related in some way to Val Ball. She was Anthea Bentley of Glynne Street. Small world ,eh? Yeah - it's a shame my mum was supposed to be down tonight and I could have asked her. Will do though. Used to love going round Farnworth with my Nana and Grandpa, everyone knew everyone else. I was just, "is this your Hazel's son?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayoghani Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 9 hours ago, Dr. Feelgood said: Well, if you want a list of our misses over the years it makes for sorry reading. Every club misses some but jeez. We had the nephew of Tommy Banks on out books, mid 50's. A schoolboy predicted to be a great player. He was ill with flu & so not signed when shitehawk Busbyturned up at his home & persuaded him to sign. One Duncan Edwards. That didn't end well. In that era we didn't give Bolton fan Roger Hunt a try when he asked 3 times. We declined to take up Alan Ball. We lost Frannie Lee as he was poached from us. At least we had actually signed him. We'd have had more players than West Ham in the 1966 final & it would have been Bolton who won the World Cup. Martin Dobson, as said, was in our Juniors but released. We were offered a look at Colin Bell ffs. Later seasons saw Mariner, Paul Flitcroft & Jason Wilcox missed. Presumably many more. Take it you mean Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted December 24, 2020 Members Share Posted December 24, 2020 I was always told he was from Moses Gate. Seems that was wrong then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted December 24, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted December 24, 2020 16 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said: My late father in law was best mates with Mariner's Uncle, Billy Carroll. He lived up Markland Hill (the uncle, not Mariner). That's as tenuous a claim to fame as I can muster. Mariner taught us football at school. Then when he left it was Mike Duxberry from United. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 On 23/12/2020 at 13:23, Dr. Feelgood said: Well, if you want a list of our misses over the years it makes for sorry reading. Every club misses some but jeez. We had the nephew of Tommy Banks on out books, mid 50's. A schoolboy predicted to be a great player. He was ill with flu & so not signed when shitehawk Busbyturned up at his home & persuaded him to sign. One Duncan Edwards. That didn't end well. In that era we didn't give Bolton fan Roger Hunt a try when he asked 3 times. We declined to take up Alan Ball. We lost Frannie Lee as he was poached from us. At least we had actually signed him. We'd have had more players than West Ham in the 1966 final & it would have been Bolton who won the World Cup. Martin Dobson, as said, was in our Juniors but released. We were offered a look at Colin Bell ffs. Later seasons saw Mariner, Paul Flitcroft & Jason Wilcox missed. Presumably many more. We do seem to be beyond ridiculous when it comes to stuff like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Good Knee Posted December 26, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted December 26, 2020 On 23/12/2020 at 13:23, Dr. Feelgood said: Well, if you want a list of our misses over the years it makes for sorry reading. Every club misses some but jeez. We had the nephew of Tommy Banks on out books, mid 50's. A schoolboy predicted to be a great player. He was ill with flu & so not signed when shitehawk Busbyturned up at his home & persuaded him to sign. One Duncan Edwards. That didn't end well. In that era we didn't give Bolton fan Roger Hunt a try when he asked 3 times. We declined to take up Alan Ball. We lost Frannie Lee as he was poached from us. At least we had actually signed him. We'd have had more players than West Ham in the 1966 final & it would have been Bolton who won the World Cup. Martin Dobson, as said, was in our Juniors but released. We were offered a look at Colin Bell ffs. Later seasons saw Mariner, Paul Flitcroft & Jason Wilcox missed. Presumably many more. I think Duncan Edwards was a relative of Dennis Stevens who had the clothes shop in Harwood not Tommy Banks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 57 minutes ago, Good Knee said: I think Duncan Edwards was a relative of Dennis Stevens who had the clothes shop in Harwood not Tommy Banks. Correct. My bad. The principle remains ... we had Duncan Edwards on our books. He was snatched from us. He shouldn't even have been on that plane. We should, in the 60's have had Edwards, Ball & Hunt in our team. Add Lofthouse, Hill & Hopkinson. Or, post Lofthouse, Lee & Wyn Davies. Then the odd additional signing. Ah well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Good Knee Posted December 26, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted December 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said: Correct. My bad. The principle remains ... we had Duncan Edwards on our books. He was snatched from us. He shouldn't even have been on that plane. We should, in the 60's have had Edwards, Ball & Hunt in our team. Add Lofthouse, Hill & Hopkinson. Or, post Lofthouse, Lee & Wyn Davies. Then the odd additional signing. Ah well. That would have been some side, we finished up selling Franny Lee and buying Terry fucking Wharton for more money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Good Knee said: That would have been some side, we finished up selling Franny Lee and buying Terry fucking Wharton for more money. To be fair, we signed both Terry Wharton AND Gareth Williams for just a tad less than we got for Frannie. Just wanted the pain the a little less for you. 😢😢 Edited December 26, 2020 by Dr. Feelgood . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Steejay Posted December 26, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted December 26, 2020 45 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said: To be fair, we signed both Terry Wharton AND Gareth Williams for just a tad less than we got for Frannie. Just wanted the pain the a little less for you. 😢😢 We got £60,000 for Lee. Wharton cost £70,000. Williams cost £45,000. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Good Knee Posted December 26, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted December 26, 2020 53 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said: To be fair, we signed both Terry Wharton AND Gareth Williams for just a tad less than we got for Frannie. Just wanted the pain the a little less for you. 😢😢 Haha its pained me for long enough. cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny The Ball Posted December 26, 2020 Author Share Posted December 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Good Knee said: I think Duncan Edwards was a relative of Dennis Stevens who had the clothes shop in Harwood not Tommy Banks. They were 2nd cousins Played together from a young age - shown below playing for Dudley town in 1948, would later play in the same England under 23 side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Good Knee Posted December 26, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted December 26, 2020 3 hours ago, Benny The Ball said: They were 2nd cousins Played together from a young age - shown below playing for Dudley town in 1948, would later play in the same England under 23 side Dudley Town must've been a decent side . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 On 24/12/2020 at 01:00, bolty58 said: I was always told he was from Moses Gate. Seems that was wrong then. Not the first time - I wouldn't sweat it. Maybe just change your name to Aus58 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeep Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 3 hours ago, Not in Crawley said: Not the first time - I wouldn't sweat it. Maybe just change your name to Aus58 Skippy88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GumboAus Posted December 27, 2020 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Nelly Ball used to babysit my Dad. They both lived on Leinster Street Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted December 28, 2020 Members Share Posted December 28, 2020 On 27/12/2020 at 07:29, jeep said: Skippy88 Don't stretch your brain too much conjuring up such imaginative labels Don't suppose King Condescension read the post properly. Never mind. Too much time on his hands at this time of year. No fucker wants choc ices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 I once saw Paul Mariner walking down Shepherds Cross st, 1982 ish. Remember thinking what the fuck England's striker was doing in Halliwell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 5 hours ago, mickbrown said: I once saw Paul Mariner walking down Shepherds Cross st, 1982 ish. Remember thinking what the fuck England's striker was doing in Halliwell. Visiting his Grandma who was in the OAP home/hospital there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted December 28, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted December 28, 2020 5 hours ago, mickbrown said: I once saw Paul Mariner walking down Shepherds Cross st, 1982 ish. Remember thinking what the fuck England's striker was doing in Halliwell. I used to knock about with his cousins John and Paul Marriner in Harwood and he was often round seeing family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ands1 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 On 22/12/2020 at 21:20, Not in Crawley said: My Nana was his aunty, so my mum's side of the family grew up with them. Came to my mum and dad's wedding after a game. Also the reason Uncle Trevor and the rest of the Balls still support Everton. My Nana and Grandpa lived on Eskdale close for a long time, lots of pics at the Flying Shuttle with them all, me in a pram. All the family lived near around the estate. Went to visit him in Southampton once when we were on holiday down there as a kid, quite cool seeming his medals etc Played for Trevor Ball Senior at Breightmet United, Trevor junior was midfield General. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 On 26/12/2020 at 13:57, Steejay said: We got £60,000 for Lee. Wharton cost £70,000. Williams cost £45,000. Is that right? Before my time but I'm assuming we signed Wharton in the mid to late 60s? The highest transfer fee at that time couldn't have been much higher (Dennis Law £125k?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 I wasn't so sure but a book I have says the fees, in 1967, were £50k for Williams & £70k for Wharton. Neither exactly lived up to tho ghese fees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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