jules_darby Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, hughmungus said: When he arrived I expected some semblance of a plan, tactics and set up, but he never had one and was to thick to change or admit he needed help. To me the job is to big for him, not completely his fault I know but he has handed lesser teams victories they should never have had with his lack of knowledge. For all you can criticise IE for (and theres alot for me) it’s not, not having a plan if it’s the right plan for this lot is another question not changing I get, but you seemed to revel in his lack of success before that was even apparent 🤷🏽♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWFC_LOVE Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 39 minutes ago, RUREADY2ROLL said: A decent striker would have scored at least two with Doyle's chances today. He has been a massive let down IMO. His play when he comes back looking for the ball as been atrocious See I think Doyle has been excellent when dropping deep. As good as anything we have in midfield. The problem being we need him up top. If we had two Doyle’s (one in midfield, one up top) we’d be in a much better position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainmed Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) When you get to the point where a home defeat to Crawley is almost accepted & justified. When apathy replaces passion and anger. That is the real concern in all of this. We are at that point. I guess a decade of abject failure takes its toll eventually. Edited January 2, 2021 by captainmed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizlar Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 I maybe wrong but I am sure IE said that he would change tactics and formation if it wasnt working well obviously it isnt so why as he not tried something else ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackleywhite Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 7 minutes ago, hughmungus said: When he arrived I expected some semblance of a plan, tactics and set up, but he never had one and was to thick to change or admit he needed help. To me the job is to big for him, not completely his fault I know but he has handed lesser teams victories they should never have had with his lack of knowledge. No plan or tactics? Have you been on the crack pipe? Changing ill give you but fuck me he's the most stubborn manager in the world with his plan and tactics... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masi 51 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Just now, hughmungus said: Never criticised BWFC just the manager situation. I get that you may not like the Manager, i do think you are negative, but its your view which to be honest is looking more right than wrong. I was a big Evatt fan pre season, but as the season gone on i am turning against him. Do i think he can turn it around certainly ...Why because he has to be the worlds worse manager to fuck it up completly. I would guess our home record is worse than last season. I stated that when Evatt walked in the door he had a basis of a good team. He is fucking wrong with his belief of the system he plays.....its horses for courses Jones /Greenidge and Brockbank are not wingbacks you CANNOT play that system without the right players playing in there right position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizlar Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, masi 51 said: I get that you may not like the Manager, i do think you are negative, but its your view which to be honest is looking more right than wrong. I was a big Evatt fan pre season, but as the season gone on i am turning against him. Do i think he can turn it around certainly ...Why because he has to be the worlds worse manager to fuck it up completly. I would guess our home record is worse than last season. I stated that when Evatt walked in the door he had a basis of a good team. He is fucking wrong with his belief of the system he plays.....its horses for courses Jones /Greenidge and Brockbank are not wingbacks you CANNOT play that system without the right players playing in there right position. Spot on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 9 minutes ago, Rizlar said: I maybe wrong but I am sure IE said that he would change tactics and formation if it wasnt working well obviously it isnt so why as he not tried something else ! The new players this month will be his reason for keeping to Plan A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 10 minutes ago, captainmed said: When you get to the point where a home defeat to Crawley is almost accepted & justified. When apathy replaces passion and anger. That is the real concern in all of this. We are at that point. It's far from apathy believe me. We are where we are on merit. You can wish a Knight in shining armour is going to roll up and romp us back up the leagues all you like, but eventually you've got to back a manager. Pretty sure you've called for us to sack each of the last 3 or 4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveTheRave Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Could've easily scored 5 today. Disappointing result though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted January 2, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted January 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, captainmed said: When you get to the point where a home defeat to Crawley is almost accepted & justified. When apathy replaces passion and anger. That is the real concern in all of this. We are at that point. 2 minutes ago, kent_white said: It's far from apathy believe me. We are where we are on merit. You can wish a Knight in shining armour is going to roll up and romp us back up the leagues all you like, but eventually you've got to back a manager. Pretty sure you've called for us to sack each of the last 3 or 4? Pretty sure he wasn't wrong though 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Just now, RONNIE PHILLIPS said: Pretty sure he wasn't wrong though 😁 Aye it's worked out magic hasn't it? 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Site Supporter desperado Posted January 2, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted January 2, 2021 8 minutes ago, masi 51 said: I stated that when Evatt walked in the door he had a basis of a good team. I couldn’t disagree with you more here. I think it’s been confirmed before that there was only Crawford, Politic and Delaney here when he came. Doyle and Sarcevic arrived shortly after. Regardless of timings, there’s only a few of these players who have been in any first team regularly. And while a few of these might be good players, for them to be considered a team is nonsense. A team needs to evolve, grow, bond, be together, perform together. None have them had ever done this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burndens Bogs Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, jules_darby said: I think we have a very serious problem with mentality That aside, I think that we have some that could be v good at this level. We aren't far off being good at this level but we also won't just get there unless there are major personnel changes AND Evatt starts to show he's learning from our losses and starts to evolve. I've been convinced both will happen, but I fear for us now unfortunately. So Jules, you say we aren’t far off being good at this level, but then you say we won’t get there unless there are major personel changes. How can we be “not far off good” but that we need “major personel changes” ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masi 51 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, desperado said: I couldn’t disagree with you more here. I think it’s been confirmed before that there was only Crawford, Politic and Delaney here when he came. Doyle and Sarcevic arrived shortly after. Regardless of timings, there’s only a few of these players who have been in any first team regularly. And while a few of these might be good players, for them to be considered a team is nonsense. A team needs to evolve, grow, bond, be together, perform together. None have them had ever done this. Crawford,Politic,Delaney, Darcy Riley, Thommason were here Doyle Sarcevic in talks with the club......Mathews was practically asking for a contract Gordon, Taft,Greenidge,Crellin,White,Comley, isgrove ,Arthur Mascoll,Hickman Jesus christ we had better last season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waffer cup 07 Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Not defending Evatt, but whose fault was it we didn't score 2 or 3 today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underpants Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, ZicoKelly said: Maybe not this season In our life time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter desperado Posted January 2, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 minute ago, masi 51 said: Crawford,Politic,Delaney, Darcy Riley, Thommason were here Doyle Sarcevic in talks with the club......Mathews was practically asking for a contract Gordon, Taft,Greenidge,Crellin,White,Comley, isgrove ,Arthur Mascoll,Hickman Jesus christ we had better last season Crawford - Not the player he was Politic - Injured before start of season, potential yes, definite core player, possibly Delaney - Others ahead of him at moment Darcy - occasional flashes never consistently held down his place, this year or last Riley - too inexperienced Thomason- hadn’t played a game till this season Doyle Sarcevic - never played at the club before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjhb Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) Pointless overhauling the system again every 6 months, especially after 10 years of abject decline We should have given Hill more time; let's give Evatt more time Edited January 2, 2021 by jmjhb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalCity Biggie Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 If I were IE, I'd have a look at last seasons Swindon team where isgrove was an assist machine for the phenomenal goal scoring machine in Doyle that we have and copy it. Amend a little so it looks like my own formation and just get the Best out of them. Oh and sarc too at plymouth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, Burndens Bogs said: So Jules, you say we aren’t far off being good at this level, but then you say we won’t get there unless there are major personel changes. How can we be “not far off good” but that we need “major personel changes” ? Good and fair question By major I suppose I don’t mean vast quantities but 2-3 major shifts changes a lot for the whole Say in each position there’s Above standard standard Below standard for me we have more than a smattering of above and below than most (who have a lot of standard level players) The ones below really cost us. 2-3 really important major shifts from below to above, with key signings make a huge difference to the whole Not just due to the direct quality replacement but the effect on the other players who need more quality amount them We can carry 1-2 then and it would bring out the quality in Doyle for example and I think he’d bag loads Hope that explains my blathering a bit better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 14 minutes ago, Burndens Bogs said: So Jules, you say we aren’t far off being good at this level, but then you say we won’t get there unless there are major personel changes. How can we be “not far off good” but that we need “major personel changes” ? He’s in recruitment. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted January 2, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted January 2, 2021 26 minutes ago, kent_white said: Aye it's worked out magic hasn't it? 🙂 I dread to think where we'd be if we'd kept them 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainmed Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 There are far too many recurring themes for my liking, and no signs of them stopping. Slow starts, no leadership, no character, no consistency & not starting to play until we go a goal or 2 down. We just don’t seem to learn at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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