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10 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Too true.  It doesn't matter who we sign, if we're just signing one left wing back, what happens when he gets injured or suspended?  It would be back to having a right back on the left wing.  He would continue the poor use of resources available, we could paper over the cracks by signing the best league 2 players ever but it doesn't alter the fact that the manager needs to do better than he's done in the first 4 months.

The idea is probably to end up with a squad where you've got cover for every position. 

You ain't gonna do that in one window. 

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We have some good players for this league & some poor one's. The main problem for me is Evatt trying to force his best players into his system instead of using a system that suits his best players

He’s in recruitment. 😂

We absolutely played them off the park, patience is required, oh and Thomason is fucking class. 

Only started playing at 1-0 down.

gilks had already made a couple of good saves as well.

yes, had loads of chances in the last half hour, but should have plated like that from the start.
 

3 home wins tells its own tale and still not been greatly impressed with any team we have played.

again, pleased we haven’t had to go and watch it, as can start drinking heavily at 4-50

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38 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Its a bit of a myth that Isgrove was an assist machine. Set up 3 goals for Doyle in his 29 appearances, he flatters to deceive and how he gets in the team ahead of Darcy is anyone's guess (cue anti-Darcy comments - I've heard them all before - he's better than Isgrove offensively and defensively).

Do we have any examples of darcy doing anything in a Bolton shirt?

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Isgrove has his moments (two good ones late on at Carlisle) but is another that's lightweight and only delivers in fits and starts. Had contributed nothing till those couple of moments last week and very little again today till a couple of decent deliveries late on. To be fair to him another unsuited by the formation and balance around him, not a wing back by any stretch of the imagination, in a 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1 he'd probably be better.

Back to the recurring issue really, we have too many in our squad who want the game to be played to suit them, think it's ok to show something once every 15 or 20 minutes and want somebody else to do the dirty work for them. Sarcevic is another, I wasn't for joining in the pile on to him after the first five or six games as it was far too early and a bit unfair at that point but 20+ games in he's of the same ilk, would be good just flitting around near Doyle and Delf with no other responsibilities but as we're set up now offers nowhere near enough over 90 minutes. Steve Eyre going on about him getting his second wind and coming into the game today in last 15 minutes was laughable, he'd been missing for an hour, lumbering around watching the game go by and waving his arms about. A nice little ball or a bit of combination play now and again isn't enough from a team captain

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1 hour ago, ph31 said:

Everyone must have moments when it hits them how far we've fallen. Those 10 / 15 year ago highlights that pop up are a killer. Today is a bad one for me, i used to go to the occasional crawley game as a local when they were struggling in conference with big financial problems. We lost to them today, at home, in the league. Worst thing is its not even a shock. Cant get my head round it. 

 

I posted something similar this week and, similarly, today was one of those days for me, as I recall watching Crawley’s first ever game in the Conference at Leigh RMI in August 2004. 

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54 minutes ago, kent_white said:

I can't think of any that have gone after 25 games - calling for his head at this stage is idiotic as far as I'm concerned.

Barring an absolute unmitigated disaster (which I don't think this is) - any manager should be given at least a couple of seasons. Especially given the state we're in at the moment. Anything less than that and the club looks like a shambles in my opinion.

It's too easy to just shout 'sack the manager' as soon as things aren't going our way.

I didn't mean BW managers, I meant EFL and Prem generally.  Looking at it another way, how many managers of teams that were expecting to be top 10, and are currently within 6 points off 2nd bottom, are still with the same team? OK maybe only us, Derby, Forest and Bradford have under achieved to that extent, but I'd suggest our owners have been a lot more patient that most.

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43 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Opinions innit but I honestly dont think he is.

Isgrove is the only player with any kind of spark at the minute.

 

One thing Darcy can't be accused of is not having a spark.  His game is about energy, drive, pass and move and quality delivery from dead balls.  Even his critics must be puzzled at how he's been behind every single midfielder in the squad this season, as if he's a walking disaster.  Isgrove is very much league 2 standard, Darcy is no world beater but he's a league one player.  As you say, its just opinions.

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37 minutes ago, kent_white said:

The idea is probably to end up with a squad where you've got cover for every position. 

You ain't gonna do that in one window. 

I agree, so what you would hope for is to use the players available in their best position.  It really isn't too much to ask to have a left footed left back, you'd expect that in the sunday league.

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7 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I agree, so what you would hope for is to use the players available in their best position.  It really isn't too much to ask to have a left footed left back, you'd expect that in the sunday league.

Which left footer would you play at left back or wingback?

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28 minutes ago, Eavesy said:

Do we have any examples of darcy doing anything in a Bolton shirt?

No, aside from his 2 goals.  Its just an opinion from watching him play.  I also don't have many examples of White and Isgrove doing anything in a Bolton (or other) shirt but they've had about 20 starts between them, compared to 1 for Darcy.  We can argue all day long about their merits but surely you must think that's a bit odd?

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1 minute ago, Casino said:

Which left footer would you play at left back or wingback?

We've had this conversation before, but it depends who's not chosen at CB.  So today it would have been Delaney (its soon forgotten how good he was first 10 games or so).  If he's CB, then Taft or Greenidge.  Nothing against Jones, he's fine as a full back, and as a last resort if he has to play left back because we don't have one, OK.  But he's a defender (same as Brockbank) not a winger.

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26 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Isgrove is very much league 2 standard

I don’t think we can truly judge him until he’s had a settled run of starting games, particularly as he did so well at Swindon. 

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However well he did at Swindon, he's league 2 standard, its plain to see, and they didn't want to keep him, he only played 29 games for them.  I've nothing against him, I've seen worse (in our team this season) but he's not better than Darcy in my opinion.

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1 minute ago, Johnnyrotten said:

However well he did at Swindon, he's league 2 standard, its plain to see, and they didn't want to keep him, he only played 29 games for them.  I've nothing against him, I've seen worse (in our team this season) but he's not better than Darcy in my opinion.

Isgrove is shit; not as shit as most of the wing backs but still shit

Evatt has took us down to the lowest level EVER

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1 minute ago, RUREADY2ROLL said:

Isgrove is shit; not as shit as most of the wing backs but still shit

Evatt has took us down to the lowest level EVER

He really hasn’t. I can’t see how anyone is blaming him for where we are. This has been 10 years in the making this. Yes IE needs to try and get us out of it and back on an upward trajectory but we were rotten to the core with a losing mentality.  Going to take some changing. 

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27 minutes ago, RUREADY2ROLL said:

Isgrove is shit; not as shit as most of the wing backs but still shit

Evatt has took us down to the lowest level EVER

 

25 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

He really hasn’t. I can’t see how anyone is blaming him for where we are. This has been 10 years in the making this. Yes IE needs to try and get us out of it and back on an upward trajectory but we were rotten to the core with a losing mentality.  Going to take some changing. 

There's no argument that we are at our lowest point EVER, but to blame Evatt is just plain stupid.

We were fucked long before he came, at least give the bloke a chance.

Sometimes in a game, just sometimes, i see flashes of what he's trying to do and at this level it looks decent.

Give him time, he'll sort it.

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1 hour ago, marple whites said:

Only started playing at 1-0 down.

gilks had already made a couple of good saves as well.

yes, had loads of chances in the last half hour, but should have plated like that from the start.
 

3 home wins tells its own tale and still not been greatly impressed with any team we have played.

again, pleased we haven’t had to go and watch it, as can start drinking heavily at 4-50

Erm.....

Don’t talk the truth.

it’s not allowed.

Let’s just make excuses.

 

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57 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

We've had this conversation before, but it depends who's not chosen at CB.  So today it would have been Delaney (its soon forgotten how good he was first 10 games or so).  If he's CB, then Taft or Greenidge.  Nothing against Jones, he's fine as a full back, and as a last resort if he has to play left back because we don't have one, OK.  But he's a defender (same as Brockbank) not a winger.

I don't understand how you can object to Jones playing LWB on the basis of him being a defender rather than a winger and then suggest Delaney, Taft or Greenidge should play there instead.

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Hopefully, today was the last time we didnt have a proper Lwb

Even so, id have stuck jones right and isgrove left

He at least has a trick in him, even if he cant go outside their full back

It really is killing us the lack of an attacking option on the left

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Under Hill we were close to getting former Bury trainee (now at Brentford) and Wales U21 international, Joe Adams. Ex-Rivvy & Blackrod HIgh School and massive Bolton fan. I reckon he’d jump at the chance to put half a season in with us as a left winger.

 

As an aside, took a look on Crawleyways, it seems their fans also accept we should’ve won 5 or 6-1.

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Is something not right behind the scenes with the training?

He can't suddenly make shit players into world beaters but I thought part of his thing was we'd be fitter than everyone else so we could play at a higher tempo and keep moving.

Some of these men are blowing out their arseholes after 10 minutes and are in and out of the game every 90 mins they're on the pitch.

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10 hours ago, Ani said:

Why do you only post when we lose ? 
 

I am a million miles off being a happy clapper. If you think IE is to blame for where the club is today you are ignoring 10 years of mismanagement. 

He is the manager of course he is to blame, or are you referring to things from 2 yrs ago which are history now and obviously not on his watch

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1 hour ago, ErnestTurnip said:

Is something not right behind the scenes with the training?

He can't suddenly make shit players into world beaters but I thought part of his thing was we'd be fitter than everyone else so we could play at a higher tempo and keep moving.

Some of these men are blowing out their arseholes after 10 minutes and are in and out of the game every 90 mins they're on the pitch.

Some of them run faster going off at half time than they do during the match 😁

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