embankment Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Heat Pumps are the answer . We have already installed a system in Norway that provides heat and energy for a town with 70000 homes. At the moment we are working on a system in Glasgow and The South of France. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green genie Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, embankment said: Heat Pumps are the answer . We have already installed a system in Norway that provides heat and energy for a town with 70000 homes. At the moment we are working on a system in Glasgow and The South of France. Air source or geothermal? Not seen the former at that scale before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
embankment Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 15 minutes ago, green genie said: Air source or geothermal? Not seen the former at that scale before We call it a Neatpump , extracts warmth from ice cold water. But can use sea water, air or any industrial waste stream such as air conditioning or large scale cooling processes. The waste heat is captured, compressed , boosted and recycled to provide hot water up to 90c . To heat buildings on a massive scale. The Drammen one was installed in 2011. Yep lots of teething problems. But is now a success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green genie Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, embankment said: We call it a Neatpump , extracts warmth from ice cold water. But can use sea water, air or any industrial waste stream such as air conditioning or large scale cooling processes. The waste heat is captured, compressed , boosted and recycled to provide hot water up to 90c . To heat buildings on a massive scale. The Drammen one was installed in 2011. Yep lots of teething problems. But is now a success. Very interesting, I'd seen something on the Glasgow installation. Will take a big step to invest in the hot water distribution. Your team should have a word with MOD or Babcock. The Naval dock yards have massive boiler fed hot water and steam distribution networks and are next to rivers. Is your equipment used in the system shown on bbc click recently heating industrial greenhouses https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08j3l56 Edit. No it isn't. Uses CHP and ground source. Reckon their website is saying water treatment rather than waste water. Edited January 15, 2021 by green genie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Some real leadership for a change.... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2021/jan/27/joe-biden-donald-trump-impeachment-covid-coronavirus-climate-crisis-executive-orders-live-updates?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted April 11, 2021 Author Share Posted April 11, 2021 (edited) Astonishing watch this. Recommended it. Looks like fishing is the elephant in the room. https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/81014008?preventIntent=true Edited April 11, 2021 by London Wanderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol_BWFC Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 2 hours ago, London Wanderer said: Astonishing watch this. Recommended it. Looks like fishing is the elephant in the room. https://www.netflix.com/gb/title/81014008?preventIntent=true I watched that last week. Hoping it’s exaggerated, because otherwise it sounds pretty grim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted April 12, 2021 Author Share Posted April 12, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, Jol_BWFC said: I watched that last week. Hoping it’s exaggerated, because otherwise it sounds pretty grim. I mean the statistics in there aren't exaggerated. The oceans are completely on the brink. Most marine species reduced by 90 plus percent since industrial fishing came about. I was shocked how much carbon they stored compared to land and forest. Something like 97% of the world's carbon. And if we loose the top predators then the whole ecosystem collapses. Some scientists predicting dead seas by 2050. We need to leave the oceans alone. Unless you're living in a coastal region where local small scale fishing is your main food source. The only positive in all of this is that marine ecosystems bounce back incredibly quickly. Much quicker than land or forest. So if we stop fishing, the oceans recover. Edited April 12, 2021 by London Wanderer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 2 hours ago, London Wanderer said: I mean the statistics in there aren't exaggerated. The oceans are completely on the brink. Most marine species reduced by 90 plus percent since industrial fishing came about. I was shocked how much carbon they stored compared to land and forest. Something like 97% of the world's carbon. And if we loose the top predators then the whole ecosystem collapses. Some scientists predicting dead seas by 2050. We need to leave the oceans alone. Unless you're living in a coastal region where local small scale fishing is your main food source. The only positive in all of this is that marine ecosystems bounce back incredibly quickly. Much quicker than land or forest. So if we stop fishing, the oceans recover. Aren't the mining companies now wanting to dredge the deep ocean floor for minerials to supply our need for batteries? Ironically for eco cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youri McAnespie Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 (edited) We're fucked. And all the bamboo toothbrushes and dishbrushes ain't changing that. The only pity is those best placed to come through the armageddon are the cunts chiefly responsible for it all. The money grasping cunts feeding off the overconsuming cunts. It isn't some poor cunt in Haiti or Nauru or sommat. Edited April 12, 2021 by Youri McAnespie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted April 12, 2021 Author Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said: Aren't the mining companies now wanting to dredge the deep ocean floor for minerials to supply our need for batteries? Ironically for eco cars. Aye, apparently so. Don't know enough about it to say if it's necessary or not. The argument is that apparently it's less environmental damaging than land based mining. Plus the metals can be reused over & over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted April 12, 2021 Author Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Youri McAnespie said: We're fucked. And all the bamboo toothbrushes and dishbrushes ain't changing that. The only pity is those best placed to come through the armageddon are the cunts chiefly responsible for it all. The money grasping cunts feeding off the overconsuming cunts. It isn't some poor cunt in Haiti or Nauru or sommat. The solutions are there. But it's the scale of change that's needed that I just can't see happening soon enough. Need a circular economy & an end to over consumption. Everything needs to be made to last & to be reused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youri McAnespie Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 It doesn't help that individuals who are bigger than governments and other agencies seem more concerned with using a throwaway world to aid playing Buck fucking Rogers... There's only so much the average person can do, most in 'the west' are doing fuck all but windowdressing but that's beside the point. Communism doesn't work, capitalism doesn't work without constant growth and there's zero appetite for any third way... Fuck me, no fossil fuel use in twenty years? Took about ten years to attempt to stop people using single use free carrier bags. And folk still do, they just pay for even more sturdy ones to be burned or buried or carried out to sea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 12, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted April 12, 2021 (edited) No reason capitalism can't work within a "green" framework. Whatever political system, over use of resources is still the issue. Societal change will come about one way or the other. Somewhat ironic that that video is on Netflix. Consumerism in the extreme? Edited April 12, 2021 by Tonge moor green jacket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mannyroader Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 3 hours ago, London Wanderer said: The solutions are there. But it's the scale of change that's needed that I just can't see happening soon enough. Need a circular economy & an end to over consumption. Everything needs to be made to last & to be reused. Watch the film The Man in The White Suit. An old one, a satire starring Alec Guiness that is as relevant today as when it was made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 12, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted April 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Mannyroader said: Watch the film The Man in The White Suit. An old one, a satire starring Alec Guiness that is as relevant today as when it was made. Does someone twat him with a light sabre? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youri McAnespie Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 55 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: No reason capitalism can't work within a "green" framework. Whatever political system, over use of resources is still the issue. Societal change will come about one way or the other. Somewhat ironic that that video is on Netflix. Consumerism in the extreme? I wouldn't particularly put Netflix as up there as evil planet killing cunts. Capitalism is inextricably linked to overconsumption, to overuse of resources. 'Green' Capitalism is an oxymoron in my opinion. It'd be a system trying constantly to make itself obsolete if practised with integrity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 12, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted April 12, 2021 54 minutes ago, Youri McAnespie said: I wouldn't particularly put Netflix as up there as evil planet killing cunts. Capitalism is inextricably linked to overconsumption, to overuse of resources. 'Green' Capitalism is an oxymoron in my opinion. It'd be a system trying constantly to make itself obsolete if practised with integrity. It isn't, it is however an example of the plethora of choice which we are presented with. This expands into all aspects of our lives, and we become used to it and expect it. The question is, it it really necessary? Bought some green beans the other day, all the way from Kenya. To be honest, didn't need to, could have bought frozen I suppose and checked out if they were British grown. We have ordered several hundred pounds worth of ready shaped topiary plants for a customer- waiting for their delivery from Italy! I'm not saying we shouldn't trade with other nations, but if we are to be serious about the future, then so much can be produced within nations, and we could be happy with more seasonal products or those grown here and preserved. The huge choice we have isn't really necessary: and lots of TV suppliers is just a sign of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted April 13, 2021 Author Share Posted April 13, 2021 20 hours ago, Mannyroader said: Watch the film The Man in The White Suit. An old one, a satire starring Alec Guiness that is as relevant today as when it was made. Will do. Cheers pal 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted August 9, 2021 Moderators Share Posted August 9, 2021 code red: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58130705 best start building more houses in high places still good news about the heatwaves if we're travelling abroad less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, Zico said: code red: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58130705 best start building more houses in high places still good news about the heatwaves if we're travelling abroad less Where's that bloke I used to argue with who assured us all it was a socialist conspiracy? Time to stop fucking about is now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted August 9, 2021 Members Share Posted August 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, kent_white said: Where's that bloke I used to argue with who assured us all it was a socialist conspiracy? Time to stop fucking about is now! Time to stop fucking about was 100 years ago Gonna get my house on stilts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted August 10, 2021 Members Share Posted August 10, 2021 If an asteroid hit earth tomorrow and took us all out it would be no less than what we deserve. We’ve ruined this planet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youri McAnespie Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 26 minutes ago, Rudy said: If an asteroid hit earth tomorrow and took us all out it would be no less than what we deserve. We’ve ruined this planet Bolty used to go on about Mother Nature 'correcting' things, mainly in relation to gaylords getting their comeuppance, but, his greater sentiment was right. One day the Earth, one way or another, will shake us off like a bear might shake off an infestation of fleas... But another myth is your average lad or lass is responsible - the reality is we don't have a choice tbh. Adverts on telly for resin drives. Glass being used as sand. Shipping shite to China, to Africa to get rid. We might see it out in normality, the next generation will be fucked. But Alf Roberts reckons it's their fault. The flaming galah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted August 10, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted August 10, 2021 Saw an article yesterday comparing UK looking towards the demise of fossil fuels and cars changing from internal combustion to batteries is their propulsion whilst at the same time, China opens up coal mines in order to power the dozen or so newly built or planned electricity generating plants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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