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MOTM today Williams; won everything and was unlucky to get booked as he won the ball

Williams has some engine on him, he runs all day long, proper worker in the middle of the park, exactly what we missed earlier in the season. Not the prettiest player, won’t score a lot of goals,

Dead right Burnden and why has nobody given John credit for firing the ball in at the defender who was facing goal leaving him no chance of avoiding it. I don’t think it was as much a fluke own goal a

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1 hour ago, superkev said:

These lot have beaten Newport away and drawn away at Cambridge in their last 2

At our place I thought they were very naive rather than poor, a lot of young players. If they’ve sorted that out, they’ll get out of trouble.

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1 minute ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Doesn’t matter who beat who

this League is gash 

 

It really is 

There are 15 points between separating 15 places. Absolute madness

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16 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Doesn’t matter who beat who

this League is gash 

 

I think i must be alone in thinking the standard in League 2 is fairly decent, everyone at least tries to get the ball down and play and the only really gash team i’ve witnessed this season was ourselves early doors. Admittedly there is no stand out team and anyone can beat anyone on their day. I think the standard of football in League 2 has improved a lot since we were last in this division under Parky.

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3 minutes ago, Burndens Bogs said:

I think i must be alone in thinking the standard in League 2 is fairly decent, everyone at least tries to get the ball down and play and the only really gash team i’ve witnessed this season was us early doors. Admittedly there is no stand out team and anyone can beat anyone on their day. I think the standard of football in League 2 has improved a lot since we were last in this division under Parky.

Maybe I'm missing something here but wasn't the last time we were in this division under Phil Neal? Apologies if I've misunderstood a joke.

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57 minutes ago, perth_white said:

Maybe I'm missing something here but wasn't the last time we were in this division under Phil Neal? Apologies if I've misunderstood a joke.

Yeh you’re right, it was 1987 in the old div 4 under Phil Neal. Parky was League 1 ( old Division3) i thought the standard of football in our promotion year under Parky was fairly shite.

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The players in this division are pros, so they are very good players. However they are at this level for a reason. Most teams play to a system and when allowed to play look decent. But take them out of the comfort zone they struggle. 
Take Mansfield as an example, passing the ball and closing down with an extra man in midfield they looked ok. But when it came to being pressed themselves they struggled. 
It is all about margins so at top level you see balls constantly played in the right place for players to move onto. Players at this level can play that ball but often it is not quite as accurate. 
I have not seen a great team in the division Orient hammered us but they had shots going in from everywhere which rarely happens at this level and Port Vale just did the basics right.

This is why I think criticism of Williams is unfair, he makes us harder to play against and does lots of little things right. The ball to Doyle for the winner was not 'world class' but it got them turned round , the ball to the west spammer when he hit the post was a simple lay off into space. We do not have to be Man City to do well in these league, hopefully Maddison realises that the million dollar ball every time is not what it is about getting a few basics right is enough then throw in the maverick stuff  

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I’ve only seen a few decent teams in this league and I think we made them look ok due to our poor approach early doors

its poor the teams who have come up from the national league and built on tells you that orient/FGR/ Cheltenham and then Lincoln/Luton & Bristol rovers who passed further 

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2 hours ago, Burndens Bogs said:

I think i must be alone in thinking the standard in League 2 is fairly decent, everyone at least tries to get the ball down and play and the only really gash team i’ve witnessed this season was ourselves early doors. Admittedly there is no stand out team and anyone can beat anyone on their day. I think the standard of football in League 2 has improved a lot since we were last in this division under Parky.

 

52 minutes ago, Ani said:

The players in this division are pros, so they are very good players. However they are at this level for a reason. Most teams play to a system and when allowed to play look decent. But take them out of the comfort zone they struggle. 
Take Mansfield as an example, passing the ball and closing down with an extra man in midfield they looked ok. But when it came to being pressed themselves they struggled. 
It is all about margins so at top level you see balls constantly played in the right place for players to move onto. Players at this level can play that ball but often it is not quite as accurate. 
I have not seen a great team in the division Orient hammered us but they had shots going in from everywhere which rarely happens at this level and Port Vale just did the basics right.

This is why I think criticism of Williams is unfair, he makes us harder to play against and does lots of little things right. The ball to Doyle for the winner was not 'world class' but it got them turned round , the ball to the west spammer when he hit the post was a simple lay off into space. We do not have to be Man City to do well in these league, hopefully Maddison realises that the million dollar ball every time is not what it is about getting a few basics right is enough then throw in the maverick stuff  

Agree with a lot in these 2 posts.

I really thought the standard of player and football would be a lot worse than what it has been. Sides like Cheltenham, Crawley and Newport looked good in their cup ties against the big boys and sides lower down (Mansfield and Scunthorpe for examples) have looked decent too.

But as Ani alluded to the consistency of good decision making is one of the key differences in why we have arguably decent sides and players playing in league 2 - no player and no team is doing this on a regular basis.

If we can then who knows where it can take us. But I think we need to accept there will be some reality checks between now and the end of the season, where these aspects of “league 2” inconsistencies will rear their head.

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At their best, players like Arthur, Delfonso, Isgrove, Arfalion, Madison, Sarcevic look too good for Div 2, but it is their inconsistency - never mind game to game but even over 90 mins - that has resulted in them playing for us in Div 2.

I also agree that there are no stand out teams - good or bad - in this division & this could work in our favour. If teams continue to take points off each other, it could lower the points required for a play off place or even automatic.

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8 minutes ago, Casino said:

i thought that williams ball to doyle for our third was excellent

even him seeing the pass impressed me, never mind executing it

Simple ball, pop it into the channels, get men forward, their defence becomes stretched... its basic stuff tbh, all professional Footballers should be able to do that with ease.

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The thing about this L2 is that for BWFC it's all new.

Add to that us having a new team just bedding in, visiting new grounds, with no fans in, kicking off at daft o'clock, two games a week. Not to mention shit playing surfaces and even shitter officials.

Ani's comments about players being professionals and therefore decent footballers is correct, and it's the teams that have been in this league for ages who are more clever and less (I'm trying to say niieve but I can't decide how to spell it) than us that are doing for us.

Two sendings off overturned within a week ?

Also, iFollow can take it's share of the blame. If clubs can pay £10 to watch Bolton games it's no wonder we're getting caught. I know this works both ways by the way.

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