Sarah Everard

[royal white]

1 minute ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

Not on it 247 like you

anyway typhoon jackets?

😂 not yet mate, I’ll ask tonight though 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

31 minutes ago, royal white said:

Good luck getting a bunch of blokes to cross the road because there’s a woman walking down on the same side.

Would suggest most of us have been in that situation where a woman may be in front or approaching, and occasionally thought "I dont want her to feel intimidated".

That in itself is an awareness and respect for her. However, for me, crossing over etc is more likely to leave her thinking she's right to be concerned.

Surely the best thing to do is behave in a perfectly normal, rational way, and allow her to feel more confident and assured if such a situation arises again.

[Not in Crawley]

8 minutes ago, royal white said:

You’re probably better off asking for more CCTV, personal alarms, better street lighting etc before asking folk not to walk behind women or cross over roads 

This is the point, wouldn't it be good if personal alarms didn't have to be commonplace?

If crossing a road or giving more space to a woman walking alone makes them more comfortable and feel safer then I think its a reasonable thing to make that ask.

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Would suggest most of us have been in that situation where a woman may be in front or approaching, and occasionally thought "I dont want her to feel intimidated".

That in itself is an awareness and respect for her. However, for me, crossing over etc is more likely to leave her thinking she's right to be concerned.

Surely the best thing to do is behave in a perfectly normal, rational way, and allow her to feel more confident and assured if such a situation arises again.

Definitely. Only positive about keep crossing the road if that I will reach my 10000 steps a day a lot faster.

As most of us, men and women, have smart phones nowadays are you all aware of how to use the emergency button? 

[Guest]

The only way to keep women safe from men is to keep them apart.

So the curfew on me. By someone in the Green Party is logical.

Then, who protects women from women?

Edited March 11, 2021 by boltondiver

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

This is the point, wouldn't it be good if personal alarms didn't have to be commonplace?

If crossing a road or giving more space to a woman walking alone makes them more comfortable and feel safer then I think its a reasonable thing to make that ask.

And it reality it won’t happen. Some people don’t grasp reality though. 

[Not in Crawley]

5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Would suggest most of us have been in that situation where a woman may be in front or approaching, and occasionally thought "I dont want her to feel intimidated".

That in itself is an awareness and respect for her. However, for me, crossing over etc is more likely to leave her thinking she's right to be concerned.

Surely the best thing to do is behave in a perfectly normal, rational way, and allow her to feel more confident and assured if such a situation arises again.

Crossing a road not normal behaviour round your way? 

No one is asking you to do a back-flip or juggle haddocks.

[Not in Crawley]

Just now, royal white said:

And it reality it won’t happen. Some people don’t grasp reality though. 

Not reality? Seriously,  think about what you have written. Better education and awareness can and does help. 

[Escobarp]

What I will say @Not in Crawleyis well done for actually getting out and doing something for a cause you believe in. Rather than the cunts courting like som social media with Pics of candles and stuff in the bios. 
 

so well done 👍🏼

[Tonge moor green jacket]

32 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

That's just fantasyland, against what is, unfortunately or otherwise, human nature.

I can see that some changes can be made which can make a difference, but you can't stop people feeling unsafe. Feeling unsafe is in our DNA, as a part of flight or fight, I'd imagine we need it for survival.

Absolutely. 

Fear of the dark, heightened sensory perception through hearing etc as a means of compensating for poorer vision.

Some innate features of being an animal that help with self preservation. 

Few years back, was coming out of the match against Wolves where they had equalised late. Walking close to the away car park where loads of them had arrived to get on buses.

I had my lad with me, and we were seemingly on our own at that moment, with a bunch of hyped up, abusive wankers giving it the big un. Did I think about remonstrating with them, as I had the right to pass by without feeling uncomfortable and concerned for my young son's welfare?

Did I fuck, I told him straight: " If I tell you to run, then run!"

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Not reality? Seriously,  think about what you have written. Better education and awareness can and does help. 

I’ve thought about it. It ain’t going to happen. If a woman is walking down the rd and there’s 15 blokes walking on the same side it’s common sense for the woman, if she is afraid, is to cross over. You ain’t getting 15 blokes crossing over. Like I said reality. 

Edited March 11, 2021 by royal white

[Guest]

Around these parts the women should be on 6pm curfews fucking animals 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

27 minutes ago, Ani said:

I am sure you would and explain why he is being a tit. 

Hopefully he learns from that and next time he might the one saying 'leave it lads' 

So if a vigil raises awareness of how acting the tit for a laugh could be unsettling for a woman why is it not a good thing ? 

 

I'm quite sure blokes acting the tit know that their behaviour can be intimidating. Isnt that why they do it? Control etc.

Perhaps the suggestive comment from a building site etc can and is being addressed. As Royal says though, once the substances take effect, then people change, and that includes women, who may become aggressive, abusive or violent too.

If folk want to hold a vigil, fine (after lockdown), but society has a big problem with alcohol and its associated problems- addressing that may help significantly.

[London Wanderer]

42 minutes ago, DazBob said:

Nothing anyone says or does will stop men attacking women.

I'm pretty sure that everyone on here would agree that things have got much better for women. Whilst domestic violence and sexual assault is still a very real issue, there is now more protection in law and it occurs less than it used to. 

So how did that come about? How were generations educated differently? 

Women and victims spoke up, they said something, they raised awareness on the streets, took action, had a fucking vigil, men listened more and showed more support. 

Nobody anywhere is claiming a vigil will stop a fucking psycho in their tracks. This is about more than that. 

Edited March 11, 2021 by London Wanderer

[Ani]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I'm quite sure blokes acting the tit know that their behaviour can be intimidating. Isnt that why they do it? Control etc.

Perhaps the suggestive comment from a building site etc can and is being addressed. As Royal says though, once the substances take effect, then people change, and that includes women, who may become aggressive, abusive or violent too.

If folk want to hold a vigil, fine (after lockdown), but society has a big problem with alcohol and its associated problems- addressing that may help significantly.

My point is that ideally no one should be scared to walk the streets but that just not realistic.

The vast vast majority of people are decent and if they could do something simple to make a woman feel safer they would, if building awareness of what those simple things are why would that bother people? 

[Zico]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

I've been in the car about 4 hours today

Pretty sure there was a claim that 95% of women have been sexually assaulted

I'm interested to see the definition being used

Me looking at them

[London Wanderer]

46 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

So why wait until now?

Someone kicking off because the local police suggested women avoid going out in the area. Common sense from the authorities, looking to protect people.

But no, just more moralising. Of course folk should be safe; everyone, men and women alike, but crackpot will always appear, and taking a degree of caution is a perfectly reasonable recommendation. 

Yes that is a common sense comment from the Police after an incident such as this. Shame folk are criticising it.

Plenty of people haven't waited until now though. Lots of groups supporting victims of street harassment and assault have sprung up recently. Women taking self-defence classes is also on the rise. Of course we will never make the streets completely safe, but we could offer more in the way of support, such as free classes or at reduced prises for those who need them. Making sure vulnerable women know their rights and that they will be supported if they come forward. 

Surely you can recognise that events like this trigger wider issues for people? Chat to some women who've experienced it. It's perfectly normal for it to bring up these things. The events in Bristol were triggered by a las who was horrifically assaulted in a nightclub. That had a domino effect and united other women who've experienced assaults albeit on a smaller scale. They raised awareness and security have since been more vigilant in chucking culprits out. 

Not sure why it's a bad thing if this brings stuff up for other women. Folk claiming it to be virtue signalling are just the same numpties using the label for Rashford. 

Edited March 11, 2021 by London Wanderer

[little whitt]

100+ woman are killed by husbands Ex husbands or Ex partners 

every year on year 

[jeep]

11 minutes ago, little whitt said:

100+ woman are killed by husbands Ex husbands or Ex partners 

every year on year 

Did they teach you that in GERMANY?

[Spider]

Look

Ive no issue with a vigil, raising awareness etc.. it’s a reaction to a horrible, shocking event. Fair enough.

The bloke that did it has been caught within days (assuming it’s him of course). It’s an utter one in a billion chance that she was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Its rare to see blokes leaning off scaffolding, or out of van windows whistling and jeering at women nowadays ( @gonzo will never change). Attitudes are much better.

Its the same old story that social media is driving people to do something, and if you dare show a shred of dissention or disagreement, you are thrown into the pit with the perpetrators. It’s fucking mental.

It’s becoming a huge game of oneupmanship every time something shit happens.

Shit things will always happen.

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, Spider said:

Look

Ive no issue with a vigil, raising awareness etc.. it’s a reaction to a horrible, shocking event. Fair enough.

The bloke that did it has been caught within days (assuming it’s him of course). It’s an utter one in a billion chance that she was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Its rare to see blokes leaning off scaffolding, or out of van windows whistling and jeering at women nowadays ( @gonzo will never change). Attitudes are much better.

Its the same old story that social media is driving people to do something, and if you dare show a shred of dissention or disagreement, you are thrown into the pit with the perpetrators. It’s fucking mental.

It’s becoming a huge game of oneupmanship every time something shit happens.

Shit things will always happen.

Fantastic post 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Have a plus one.  They’re like gold dust 

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

If that daft bint got her way about curfews women would be doing a lot more walking whilst all the bus & taxi drivers are at home watching telly 😊

[Escobarp]

Just now, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

If that daft bint got her way about curfews women would be doing a lot more walking whilst all the bus & taxi drivers are at home watching telly 😊

Flip it on its head. If women don’t feel safe out in the dark have a darkness curfew for them. Be a bit crap in winter but so be it. Let’s see if we can get one of the MPs to suggest that watch the Facebook meltdown off the back of that. She should be sacked for saying something so ridiculous and get an account on here talking that amount of shite 

[jeep]

Sorry if it's already been stated, but did the copper know the poor lass beforehand, or was it a random attack on her, albeit probably planned?

 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

If that daft bint got her way about curfews women would be doing a lot more walking whilst all the bus & taxi drivers are at home watching telly 😊

Crackpot think she’s not getting any male attention