Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 30, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 30, 2021 26 minutes ago, deane koontz said: I'll give it 12 months before some cunt does a dramatized TV version of the events. There is some controversy over this Savile series. Can see both arguments, but won't be watching. Not the decision to do it, but because I don't need to learn more about him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted September 30, 2021 Author Members Share Posted September 30, 2021 1 hour ago, deane koontz said: I'll give it 12 months before some cunt does a dramatized TV version of the events. There’s an argument that they are putting it in the spotlight so people can become more vigilant, and people and police and learn if it’s dramatised and not just a news story. Plus it’s fact it’s already out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted September 30, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 30, 2021 Twitter mob blaming all police for being corrupt wankers. That’s like blaming all Muslims for 9/11. I understand the reaction a bit, but evil on this level finds a way somehow. Fortunately it’s extremely rare. it’s just fucking awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolton_blondie Posted September 30, 2021 Members Share Posted September 30, 2021 21 minutes ago, Spider said: Twitter mob blaming all police for being corrupt wankers. That’s like blaming all Muslims for 9/11. I understand the reaction a bit, but evil on this level finds a way somehow. Fortunately it’s extremely rare. it’s just fucking awful. Have you seen he had the nickname 'the rapist' off his police pals because of how he made women uncomfortable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 30, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 30, 2021 Talking about it now on the news. A great danger of some exploiting this situation for ulterior motives, and mixing the whole issue up. It was the police who caught this cunt, quickly. A mistake to start blaming them as if they're all murderers. One individual in 43000 met officers. Maybe there are questions over his previous behaviour that should have been dealt with- complain if their performance isn't up to much- but can't start tarring them all with the same brush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Talking about it now on the news. A great danger of some exploiting this situation for ulterior motives, and mixing the whole issue up. It was the police who caught this cunt, quickly. A mistake to start blaming them as if they're all murderers. One individual in 43000 met officers. Maybe there are questions over his previous behaviour that should have been dealt with- complain if their performance isn't up to much- but can't start tarring them all with the same brush. Largely agree with that. I read some berk yesterday insisting that this should count as a 'death in custody' because he'd used his Police ID and handcuffs. There is, however, a wider debate about Police officers and the standards expected of them. This guy had previous and just 3 days previously an allegation of exposing himself had been made, yet he wasn't suspended. 800 allegations of domestic abuse against Police officers in the last 5 years. Of those found guilty, 52% were allowed to stay employed. That doesnt send a great signal to victims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 30, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 30, 2021 21 minutes ago, Duck Egg said: Largely agree with that. I read some berk yesterday insisting that this should count as a 'death in custody' because he'd used his Police ID and handcuffs. There is, however, a wider debate about Police officers and the standards expected of them. This guy had previous and just 3 days previously an allegation of exposing himself had been made, yet he wasn't suspended. 800 allegations of domestic abuse against Police officers in the last 5 years. Of those found guilty, 52% were allowed to stay employed. That doesnt send a great signal to victims. Indeed. Remember, allegations are just that though- the problem seems to be the lack of investigation into them. Not just within the force neither, GMP has become shite- hope this new top man sorts it out. Numbers don't help neither. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youri McAnespie Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 I have a mate, well for the duration of his tenure an ex-mate, who worked for the Police... He said there was definitely a culture within for the 'good' copper, or 'new to the job' copper to look the other way and be reticent to whistleblow. In comparison to other similar sectors; social work, probation services, education, health, care etc. He's a big handy smart lad and was encouraged to go full Bacon constantly, this culture was the prime reason he demurred (and left altogether eventually). He's not the ballooning Mitty type either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted September 30, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 30, 2021 44 minutes ago, Youri McAnespie said: I have a mate, well for the duration of his tenure an ex-mate, who worked for the Police... He said there was definitely a culture within for the 'good' copper, or 'new to the job' copper to look the other way and be reticent to whistleblow. In comparison to other similar sectors; social work, probation services, education, health, care etc. He's a big handy smart lad and was encouraged to go full Bacon constantly, this culture was the prime reason he demurred (and left altogether eventually). He's not the ballooning Mitty type either... Not actually sure what you’re getting at here. Are you suggesting brand new cops are keen but start picking up quicker/easier/less official methods as they go on? And your mate/ex-mate didn’t like this so left? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youri McAnespie Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, MickyD said: Not actually sure what you’re getting at here. Are you suggesting brand new cops are keen but start picking up quicker/easier/less official methods as they go on? And your mate/ex-mate didn’t like this so left? He just said there was a culture of looking the other way, even applicable to the 'good' coppers, and initiates picked this up quickly... You know how in criminal circles 'grassing' is very much frowned upon, well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted September 30, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Youri McAnespie said: He just said there was a culture of looking the other way, even applicable to the 'good' coppers, and initiates picked this up quickly... You know how in criminal circles 'grassing' is very much frowned upon, well... Bullying then? In a ‘look the other way if you want to survive in the job!’ type of way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youri McAnespie Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 No, not bullying, just subtle 'this is how it is...' Never owt as explicit as bullying. It's not some startling revelation, but this was from someone who'd seen it firsthand. Anyway, I'll leave it there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 30, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 30, 2021 I think you'll find that culture, to a greater or lesser extent in any service/industry. Always a certain amount of looking after each other, and particularly in a service that is always under scrutiny from all parts. The camaraderie is part of human nature, but no doubt oversteps the mark sometimes. Not sure you can ever fully remove that, without risking destroying any sense of team ethic and morale. Whether this was the case here, with colleagues thinking he's a bit odd and nothing more, or whether it's genuine negligence, I'm sure will come out in due course. Bound to be some sort of investigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowack Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 I believe that a few officers stood up during the trial and gave him a character reference, that is really taking camaraderie to a new level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted September 30, 2021 Author Members Share Posted September 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Nowack said: I believe that a few officers stood up during the trial and gave him a character reference, that is really taking camaraderie to a new level. “Hard worker, bit of a rascal” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youri McAnespie Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 22 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I think you'll find that culture, to a greater or lesser extent in any service/industry... According to this lad it was very much to a greater extent. To the extent he left, just after moving to a bigger house and arrival of his 2nd child, to an uncertain future. Was on a decent wedge as well. He drove deliveries for a supermarket immediately after for a spell to keep some money coming in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youri McAnespie Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 He'd also worked in other comparable sectors, he said the sense of 'camaraderie' was tenfold in the Blue service [in comparison]... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 30, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 30, 2021 31 minutes ago, Nowack said: I believe that a few officers stood up during the trial and gave him a character reference, that is really taking camaraderie to a new level. There was no trial. He admitted guilt so no need. Not sure where you got your information from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 He’s gone for full life and rightly so. End of. Hope someone gets to him ASAP and terrorizes him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowack Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 17 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: There was no trial. He admitted guilt so no need. Not sure where you got your information from. On the news they mentioned that part of the sentencing yesterday that officers spoke on behalf of him. I have had a look and not found anything else on it so am happy to retract it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youri McAnespie Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Nowack said: On the news they mentioned that part of the sentencing yesterday that officers spoke on behalf of him. I have had a look and not found anything else on it so am happy to retract it. That guy Afzal who prosecuted the Rochdale groomers alluded to officers speaking up for him after his guilty plea. Can't find the article though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted September 30, 2021 Author Members Share Posted September 30, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Nowack said: On the news they mentioned that part of the sentencing yesterday that officers spoke on behalf of him. I have had a look and not found anything else on it so am happy to retract it. I think you’re right but it was the judge was hearing from family, police and others Edit- but I don’t think it was supporting him Edited September 30, 2021 by Rudy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 30, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Nowack said: On the news they mentioned that part of the sentencing yesterday that officers spoke on behalf of him. I have had a look and not found anything else on it so am happy to retract it. Seems weird that- which channel? The reporter today (bbc) said his lawyer suggested some reasons for mitigation, but not heard of anyone giving references. Is it even allowed in sentencing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted September 30, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 30, 2021 I’d be absolutely gobsmacked if a single person on earth has given any kind of positive reference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 30, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 30, 2021 Just now, Spider said: I’d be absolutely gobsmacked if a single person on earth has given any kind of positive reference. Aye. Can only imagine that maybe some social media comments along the lines off "fucking hell... wouldn't have expected that" etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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