wanderer1984 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 Is it kicking off big time or is this just everyday stuff they deal with or a bit of both? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted May 11, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted May 11, 2021 It is a shitstorm that has been slowly building for weeks. Nothing good will come of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Green light destination from next Monday, though. Anybody fancy a week's glamping on the Gaza Strip? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 That footage is really disturbing. If ever there was a conflict where there was no clear 'good guy' this is it. So complicated. And it needs peacemakers on both sides to really make a solution work. And if I'm honest - I don't think peace is what either side want. Saw this footage of an air strike on a building Hamas operate from earlier today. Scary stuff..... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-57066275 I'd love to visit Israel and Palestine one day - when things are calmer, but they seem to be going in much the other direction sadly...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted May 12, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted May 12, 2021 A fucked up place. Hamas launching the rockets from their bit. More extreme than the other Palestinian lot up in the west bank. Israel in breach of UN rules in stealing land and property from Palestinians. One wrong after another. Nothing changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted May 12, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted May 12, 2021 To quote Stephen Fry: "Religion. Shit it." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Israel must be allowed to defend itself. the Iran-backed terrorists must be stopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Good old religion at it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnden Pies Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 I think it's more about competition for land and who has supremecy. Obviously add in the vast religious and cultural divide and it's a lethal combination. Not defending religion at all, but I think even without it there would still be big trouble in this part of the world anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted May 12, 2021 Members Share Posted May 12, 2021 Anyone care to give me the cliff note break down of the beef between these two because I literally have no idea about their history or cause they’re fighting for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted May 12, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted May 12, 2021 57 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Israel must be allowed to defend itself. the Iran-backed terrorists must be stopped. Of course, though if someone pushed you out of your home by force to let someone else live in it, you'd be a tad pissed off. As bad as each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnden Pies Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Basically the Jews say it's their ancient sacred homeland going back 1,000s years, before being expelled, eventually to all points (hence the term diaspora). Over time the Arabs moved in, with various wrangles with Christians in the Holy Land (the Crusades) and others along the way. Things seemed to have settled down until the British Balfour Declaration in 1917 that committed to giving the Jews their national homeland in Palestine. Unfortunately I don't think anyone told the Palestinians. This became a reality in 1945 for perhaps understandable reasons. Ironically Palestine was a British protectorate and not really up for giving it over lockstok and barrel so the Jews fought the British to get their independence. Israel was then formed in 1948 and the rest, as they say, is history! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted May 12, 2021 Members Share Posted May 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Burnden Pies said: Basically the Jews say it's their ancient sacred homeland going back 1,000s years, before being expelled, eventually to all points (hence the term diaspora). Over time the Arabs moved in, with various wrangles with Christians in the Holy Land (the Crusades) and others along the way. Things seemed to have settled down until the British Balfour Declaration in 1917 that committed to giving the Jews their national homeland in Palestine. Unfortunately I don't think anyone told the Palestinians. This became a reality in 1945 for perhaps understandable reasons. Ironically Palestine was a British protectorate and not really up for giving it over lockstok and barrel so the Jews fought the British to get their independence. Israel was then formed in 1948 and the rest, as they say, is history! Cheers BP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted May 12, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted May 12, 2021 20 minutes ago, Rudy said: Anyone care to give me the cliff note break down of the beef between these two because I literally have no idea about their history or cause they’re fighting for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted May 12, 2021 Members Share Posted May 12, 2021 Gracias amigo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted May 12, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted May 12, 2021 22 minutes ago, Rudy said: Anyone care to give me the cliff note break down of the beef between these two because I literally have no idea about their history or cause they’re fighting for It goes back hundreds if not thousands of years when it comes to 'holy land'. However it all came to the fore with the creation of Israel. This is a good bit if info on the current eruption in violence and killings BBC News - Israel-Palestinians: Old grievances fuel new fighting https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-57074460 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted May 12, 2021 Members Share Posted May 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Winchester White said: It goes back hundreds if not thousands of years when it comes to 'holy land'. However it all came to the fore with the creation of Israel. This is a good bit if info on the current eruption in violence and killings BBC News - Israel-Palestinians: Old grievances fuel new fighting https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-57074460 I’ll have a read on the throne later cheers mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted May 12, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted May 12, 2021 I did a bit of reading a while back, about the history prior to all this- the stories of how the religions came into being etc. One and the same initially. Bonkers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 So basically it's a party wall dispute that's got out of hand. Chuck in who's imaginary friend wrote the better version of the same book and you end up with this. Let em blow each other up so us good Christian folk of either side can live in peace with each other like they do in Ireland... Oh fuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted May 12, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted May 12, 2021 @Rudy Religion innit. Imagine a game of musical chairs. There's 1 chair left, and you have Hershi, Mohammed and John all circling menacingly as they are convinced the chair is theirs. But the music never stops, and now and again one of them will pretend to sit down and the others will throw stones/rockets at them. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all claim this dusty, ramshackle square kilometre of rocks in Jerusalem as the focal point for their faith. It's more a case of it being USA vs Iran. Israel have powerful backing from the yanks, Palestine have Iran and various other Arab nations protecting them All as bad as each other and it would be better for the world as a whole if the entire area fell into a massive sinkhole and they set their shrines up elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 This is a good one I showed my lad as well to explain it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 43 minutes ago, Burnden Pies said: Basically the Jews say it's their ancient sacred homeland going back 1,000s years, before being expelled, eventually to all points (hence the term diaspora). Over time the Arabs moved in, with various wrangles with Christians in the Holy Land (the Crusades) and others along the way. Things seemed to have settled down until the British Balfour Declaration in 1917 that committed to giving the Jews their national homeland in Palestine. Unfortunately I don't think anyone told the Palestinians. This became a reality in 1945 for perhaps understandable reasons. Ironically Palestine was a British protectorate and not really up for giving it over lockstok and barrel so the Jews fought the British to get their independence. Israel was then formed in 1948 and the rest, as they say, is history! Excellent summary. Worth adding the 6 day war in 1967 where the Israelis triumphed over the Arabs, and used their victory to nick more land/reclaim back more of the holy state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 We should run a wanderersways poll. Arabs or Jews. Who is in the right? We generally get elections and referendums nailed on so can't see why we shouldn't have a casting vote on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted May 12, 2021 Members Share Posted May 12, 2021 34 minutes ago, Spider said: @Rudy Religion innit. Imagine a game of musical chairs. There's 1 chair left, and you have Hershi, Mohammed and John all circling menacingly as they are convinced the chair is theirs. But the music never stops, and now and again one of them will pretend to sit down and the others will throw stones/rockets at them. Judaism, Christianity and Islam all claim this dusty, ramshackle square kilometre of rocks in Jerusalem as the focal point for their faith. It's more a case of it being USA vs Iran. Israel have powerful backing from the yanks, Palestine have Iran and various other Arab nations protecting them All as bad as each other and it would be better for the world as a whole if the entire area fell into a massive sinkhole and they set their shrines up elsewhere. Fiona Bruce has nothing on you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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