England

[Rudy]

😂

[Cheese]

I honestly think some people don't understand the "sport" aspect of football. For every 11 men you want to put in a world class perfect performance, there's 11 other men who want to stop them and do it themselves. Just can't get my head around it. Can't get into the mindset of someone who watches England knock the Germans out for the first time in 5 decades, then immediately looks for the negative angle. It's fucking bonkers.

[Rudy]

You can’t just go and blow away teams, you leave yourself open to gaps especially  when you’re playing a quality team like Germany. 
Have to win those one on one battles

Have to win the second balls

do the ugly stuff

stay in the game and take your chances

The team was spot on, so were the subs, the tactics and man management were the best I’ve ever seen from an England team

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

1 minute ago, Rudy said:

You can’t just go and blow away teams, you leave yourself open to gaps especially  when you’re playing a quality team like Germany. 
Have to win those one on one battles

Have to win the second balls

do the ugly stuff

stay in the game and take your chances

The team was spot on, so were the subs, the tactics and man management were the best I’ve ever seen from an England team

I get where you are coming from & it was refreshing to see the mentality has changed but to keep some perspective this is not a vintage German side. They certainly lack the usual deadly marksman... Werner is shite 😁

[stevieb]

15 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Imagine still whinging about the performance after we've just dumped Germany out of the tournament 2-0. It beggars belief.

Maybe we should've gone all out attack and drew 3-3, then lost on penalties?

Nurse... Nurse... Call an ambulance... 

 

I'm in 100% agreement with cheese. 

 

I reckon its because its a 5pm kick off the full effect of "its coming home" levels of pissedness hasn't hit home yet. 

[MickyD]

39 minutes ago, Casino said:

Fwiw, i thought sterling was shit

But hes scoring the goals and we keep winning

He either ran into a tackle without looking for a pass or he passed backwards. Totally frustrating player…

then pops up in the right place to score the opener. He’s a cunt!

[desperado]

2 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I honestly think some people don't understand the "sport" aspect of football. For every 11 men you want to put in a world class perfect performance, there's 11 other men who want to stop them and do it themselves. Just can't get my head around it. Can't get into the mindset of someone who watches England knock the Germans out for the first time in 5 decades, then immediately looks for the negative angle. It's fucking bonkers.

👏 .

It reeks of our post February form and all the moonmen saying yes but yes but…..

We’ve just beat the fucking Germans in a tournament knockout game for the first time since 1966.

If you are hunting out negatives then I’m sorry, you are just trying to be some kind of controversial, opinionated and obstinate individual who thinks they are above everybody else’s opinion and you’ll stick to it no matter what anybody else says.

Yes I’ll get carried away thinking football’s coming home, yes I’ll go to bed content that we have done something in my lifetime we have never done and I’ll live in hope that we can go on and get to the final and do ourselves proud.

If you want to come on here and pretend you know how to beat the Swedes/Ukrainians and correct Southgate on his selection and tactics then go for it, you’ll end up looking like the the doubters that predicted doom at 4.30.

COME ON ENGLAND 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[Spider]

This is why I will never watch England in a pub or other place packed with pissed up, armchair rent-a-gobs who want to bellow their fucking ridiculous opinions at the telly.

I moan like most others, but if we beat Germany what the fuck is there to moan about afterwards?

I feel sorry for anyone who wants to pick holes in A WIN OVER THE GERMANS.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

10 hours ago, MickyD said:

He either ran into a tackle without looking for a pass or he passed backwards. Totally frustrating player…

then pops up in the right place to score the opener. He’s a cunt!

This is sterling through and through.

Keeps working hard and goes at players, but so often overdoses it, runs into trouble and looses it.

As soon as he gets his head up, beats a man and then uses it, the play speeds up and we are more dangerous. Could be even more of a player.

He keeps going though, clearly is passionate and is producing the goods, and deserves his place.

[Rudy]

16 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

This is sterling through and through.

Keeps working hard and goes at players, but so often overdoses it, runs into trouble and looses it.

As soon as he gets his head up, beats a man and then uses it, the play speeds up and we are more dangerous. Could be even more of a player.

He keeps going though, clearly is passionate and is producing the goods, and deserves his place.

To run at such pace as Sterling does is very difficult To change direction and keep the ball

i can only think of a handful of People who can continually do it, one is messi. He is targeted and double upped and they try to see him out of the game, but what he doesn’t get credit for is his space making off the ball, his touch in tight spaces, his finding pockets of space inside and his tenacity, the mental toughness of him is world class, he’s not a one trick pony, IMO he doesn’t get the credit he deserves 

[Guest]

Apologies to Gareth Southgate, it seems he knows more than I do.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Not disputing his technical abilities, but it happens every game that at times he gets his head down, and doesn't use the team mate that is available often in the space that sterling himself has created by his initial run. Happened last night, and there is a little video doing the rounds of him in an earlier game, repeatedly trying to do.it all himself and ignoring the wide man in loads of space, and losing the ball.

The goal last night was perfect- an initial run beats opponents, but then uses the ball rather than running into trouble and continues his run. Simple cross and tap in. Very effective and really difficult to play against.

In fairness, kane wasn't moving so much which I think puts more pressure on Sterling to make something happen. 

 

[DazBob]

Only downside to last night was the spectre of VAR meaning it was impossible to celebrate either goal properly until the game had actually kicked off again. 

VAR has completely ruined the feeling one gets when a goal is scored.  It needs to be fucked off.

[tshape]

1 minute ago, DazBob said:

Only downside to last night was the spectre of VAR meaning it was impossible to celebrate either goal properly until the game had actually kicked off again. 

VAR has completely ruined the feeling one gets when a goal is scored.  It needs to be fucked off.

VAR never even came close to crossing my mind when the goals went in yesterday. 

[Dr. Feelgood]

12 minutes ago, tshape said:

VAR never even came close to crossing my mind when the goals went in yesterday. 

It did mine for the second one. Kane was very close. I think Rudigger's running knee kept him on.

So far, apart from the English officials, it's been used way better than we've been used to. But a couple of instances yesterday brought it all back.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

43 minutes ago, tshape said:

VAR never even came close to crossing my mind when the goals went in yesterday. 

Ditto.

Just celebrate. 

If var kicks in later and disallows the goal, complain and kick the dog then.

[Max Cherry]

13 hours ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

I get where you are coming from & it was refreshing to see the mentality has changed but to keep some perspective this is not a vintage German side. They certainly lack the usual deadly marksman... Werner is shite 😁

The only perspective we need is we knocked them out of a major tournament.  In 1990 & 1996 we were every bit as good as them and lost on pens. This starts to make up for that. We needed to beat them, vintage or not. Plenty of times a not that good (individually)Germany have reached finals. 

Now FFS let's keep our feet on the ground and see off Ukraine. 

[MickyD]

36 minutes ago, Max Cherry said:

Now FFS let's keep our feet on the ground and see off Ukraine. 

Indeed. Pointless beating Germany if we don’t follow up with a win against Ukraine. 
 

If possible I’d like to be 3 goals up at half time.

[Johnnyrotten]

7 hours ago, DazBob said:

Only downside to last night was the spectre of VAR meaning it was impossible to celebrate either goal properly until the game had actually kicked off again. 

VAR has completely ruined the feeling one gets when a goal is scored.  It needs to be fucked off.

Agree with that.  If the goal is anything like borderline for offside, great goals like our's yesterday feel maybe one up from getting a penalty.  Its great, but you haven't actually scored it until they kick off again.  

Watching the Ukraine winner v Sweden as a neutral, another great and dramatic goal, I was just waiting for them to say there was a VAR review and felt like their celebrations were premature.  So glad there's no VAR for Bolton games.

Edited June 30, 2021 by Johnnyrotten

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

6 hours ago, Max Cherry said:

The only perspective we need is we knocked them out of a major tournament.  In 1990 & 1996 we were every bit as good as them and lost on pens. This starts to make up for that. We needed to beat them, vintage or not. Plenty of times a not that good (individually)Germany have reached finals. 

Now FFS let's keep our feet on the ground and see off Ukraine. 

The perspective we need is to not get carried away & think we will walk into the final now.... and I'm aiming that at some of our fans not the manager & team. The way Southgate is handling this tournament makes guessing team selections interesting. I reckon as we go deeper in that Henderson will be his go to holding midfielder (if fit) . 

   One things for sure its better than playing unfit players & putting others in unfamiliar positions just because they are big names. 

Edited June 30, 2021 by RONNIE PHILLIPS

[Rudy]

51 minutes ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

The perspective we need is to not get carried away & think we will walk into the final now.... and I'm aiming that at some of our fans not the manager & team. The way Southgate is handling this tournament makes guessing team selections interesting. I reckon as we go deeper in that Henderson will be his go to holding midfielder (if fit) . 

   One things for sure its better than playing unfit players & putting others in unfamiliar positions just because they are big names. 

Southgate isn’t one who looks too far forward, what is impressive is his attention to detail, he looks at players attributes and how they will suit against the opposition, his scouting of the opposition is exceptional , the subs, the squad, all spot on.

Sancho, Foden, Mount, Henderson, Rashford Grealish would all get in any team in the PL but he picks the team He thinks is right to get That particular job right. 
It takes balls to do that Sven, Capello, McClaren, Hodgson never did that, scared what the media would say.

Southgate has had All the bad media that can be thrown at him, it’s his team and he picks it. 

[Dimron]

8 hours ago, Max Cherry said:

The only perspective we need is we knocked them out of a major tournament.  In 1990 & 1996 we were every bit as good as them and lost on pens. This starts to make up for that. We needed to beat them, vintage or not. Plenty of times a not that good (individually)Germany have reached finals. 

Now FFS let's keep our feet on the ground and see off Ukraine. 

They owe us for lending them a Destroyer to play with the Ruskies last week

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

1 hour ago, Rudy said:

Southgate isn’t one who looks too far forward, what is impressive is his attention to detail, he looks at players attributes and how they will suit against the opposition, his scouting of the opposition is exceptional , the subs, the squad, all spot on.

Sancho, Foden, Mount, Henderson, Rashford Grealish would all get in any team in the PL but he picks the team He thinks is right to get That particular job right. 
It takes balls to do that Sven, Capello, McClaren, Hodgson never did that, scared what the media would say.

Southgate has had All the bad media that can be thrown at him, it’s his team and he picks it. 

He certainly does & fair fucks to him. I'd rather his way then Sven the charlatan & his ilk. 

[Zico]

Do you reckon Southgate would've dropped Lampard or Gerrard?

[Max Cherry]

57 minutes ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

He certainly does & fair fucks to him. I'd rather his way then Sven the charlatan & his ilk. 

Aye I dont know why someone called Southgate a 'fraud ' jeezus that knobber Sven stole a living. The Italian guy wasn't much better and old Woy with his bright idea of Kane taking corners.  Compared to that lot he's a genius!