Members Rudy Posted July 29, 2021 Author Members Share Posted July 29, 2021 12 minutes ago, Casino said: Youre obvs not a crank, but i get my medical guidance from mrscasino Fwiw, id have took my chances all along Said many times, im too old for all this shit Like murtaugh from lethal weapon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 10 minutes ago, Casino said: And she gives me 'oh fucking hell' look, if i mention emergency use only I do get that and i haven't got anything about anyone getting the vaccine. Never not stopping that. But why would people who don't want it have their freedoms restricted for something that is, in essence, still a trial drug. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, stevieb said: I do get that and i haven't got anything about anyone getting the vaccine. Never not stopping that. But why would people who don't want it have their freedoms restricted for something that is, in essence, still a trial drug. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Ill add to this... When I was at uni they were offering 1300 quid for medical trials for a weekend away. That was 26 gram... And I refused! 🤣 Edited July 29, 2021 by stevieb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted July 29, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted July 29, 2021 46 minutes ago, stevieb said: I do get that and i haven't got anything about anyone getting the vaccine. Never not stopping that. But why would people who don't want it have their freedoms restricted for something that is, in essence, still a trial drug. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. It will be a direct contravention of the Nuremburg Code.... and people might do well to remember why that was introduced in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 1 minute ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said: It will be a direct contravention of the Nuremburg Code.... and people might do well to remember why that was introduced in the first place. Ronnie I don't know what you are on about but please send me a link to where you are at... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted July 29, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted July 29, 2021 Just now, stevieb said: Ronnie I don't know what you are on about but please send me a link to where you are at.. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://media.tghn.org/medialibrary/2011/04/BMJ_No_7070_Volume_313_The_Nuremberg_Code.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi7xsDxponyAhUHUhUIHcb0C7AQFjABegQINxAC&usg=AOvVaw2oYSAdQVHDmNu73EqoePx5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted July 29, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted July 29, 2021 Think the link is broke. Google it & go to wiki page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted July 29, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted July 29, 2021 It's yet another case of our freedoms being eroded & once they are given up they are gone for good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 But it is not an experiment so that does not apply does it ? I am not sure what part of testing of the vaccine have been missed, every medical expert seems to say consistently it has been done quickly as so much money was made available rather than skipping steps. Lot of talk about individual right to choose not have the vaccine but (assuming no one is saying the vaccine does not work) what about the rights of venues or people who work in venues to work in what they think is the safest way and to reduce the likelihood of having to stop work because of being pinged ? Only allowed vaccinated people in reduces the likelihood surely ? I keep going back to the fact that Jonathan VT knows more about this than nearly everyone else in the world so happy to be guided by him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted July 30, 2021 Moderators Share Posted July 30, 2021 34 minutes ago, Ani said: Lot of talk about individual right to choose not have the vaccine but (assuming no one is saying the vaccine does not work) what about the rights of venues or people who work in venues to work in what they think is the safest way and to reduce the likelihood of having to stop work because of being pinged ? Only allowed vaccinated people in reduces the likelihood surely ? Aye, if the decision is being made freely by a venue or whatever then you can't complain if you have chosen to not have a vaccine And if a country doesn't want to let you in then tough shit It's not a legal requirement to have the vaccine or demand a vaccine passport, so no one is making anyone do anything, it's just a difference of opinion as far as i can see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ani said: But it is not an experiment so that does not apply does it ? I am not sure what part of testing of the vaccine have been missed, every medical expert seems to say consistently it has been done quickly as so much money was made available rather than skipping steps. Lot of talk about individual right to choose not have the vaccine but (assuming no one is saying the vaccine does not work) what about the rights of venues or people who work in venues to work in what they think is the safest way and to reduce the likelihood of having to stop work because of being pinged ? Only allowed vaccinated people in reduces the likelihood surely ? I keep going back to the fact that Jonathan VT knows more about this than nearly everyone else in the world so happy to be guided by him There's 40 thousand or so for each vaccine that are double blind trials based on batch number. So some had placebos and some different doses of the vaccine. So some people who agreed to the trial are walking about double vaccinated but have had two placebos They have to go back to the placebo folk and ask if they want the actual vaccine when the trial concludes. Nadim has said they will still class as double vaccinated anyway. Scroll to the question from Rupa Huq https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2021-07-22/debates/1A0B8C05-9AC1-4EBF-8D1C-C1B35D0C12F7/Covid-19Update Box 5 of the below references the trial data has to be submitted by December 2023 https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1000705/Comirnaty_GB_CMA_Conditions.pdf Page 20 on this references how to deal with trial participants who come forward for the vaccine https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/999527/COVID-19_vaccination_programme_guidance_for_healthcare_workers_6July2021_v3.9.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwikjfubrIryAhVLSsAKHdRuApQQFjAGegQIDRAC&usg=AOvVaw07W5FTl6v2akBpxk-r_sgN So you can't say it's not an trial when government documents show that it is for at least some people. But my issue isn't with the vaccine and never has been. It's with vaccination status being used as a condition of entry to places domestically. We're on a slippery slope if that comes to pass. Your two jabs could be the thin end of the wedge. Edited to fix links Edited July 30, 2021 by stevieb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted July 30, 2021 Author Members Share Posted July 30, 2021 56 minutes ago, Zico said: Aye, if the decision is being made freely by a venue or whatever then you can't complain if you have chosen to not have a vaccine And if a country doesn't want to let you in then tough shit It's not a legal requirement to have the vaccine or demand a vaccine passport, so no one is making anyone do anything, it's just a difference of opinion as far as i can see Some Bars used to only let over 21s even though it was law that you had to be over 18, just the rules now Can you prove that you’ve been double jabbed? No. Tough shit. Im sure as shit football clubs wouldn’t object to it because if it did spike again as a result of huge crowds at football they would be playing behind closed doors again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted July 30, 2021 Moderators Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Rudy said: Some Bars used to only let over 21s even though it was law that you had to be over 18, just the rules now not to mention dress codes if you wanted to get in Ritzy's in the 90s, you had to borrow your dads pants and shoes, end of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolton_blondie Posted July 30, 2021 Members Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Zico said: not to mention dress codes if you wanted to get in Ritzy's in the 90s, you had to borrow your dads pants and shoes, end of Not tonight lads. Not dressed like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Currently up in the far north at my folks place for a week or so. There's a Flat Earth society shop in Inverness - you can see the graffiti scribbled all up the A9 on the drive up. Absolute nutters, best to ignore them, or pelt their windows with globes. Looking at that las at the rally the other day comparing the NHS staff the Nazis, fuck me, she needs a good sorting out. Listening to her son's interview the other day, she sounds like a right nutter with borderline personality disorder. Desperate for any kind of attention so she'll say anything. Doesn't help when you've got people in power acting in the way they do. Bring a bit of honesty, accountability and transparency back into politics (if it ever was there) and you'll see less people going down the tinfoil hat road. Some positive things also happening in the Finland education system. They're teaching kids from a young age think critically and spot fake news and misinformation where it appears. Which in today's age is a vital skill. Be good to see it central to the curriculum over here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted July 30, 2021 Author Members Share Posted July 30, 2021 38 minutes ago, Zico said: not to mention dress codes if you wanted to get in Ritzy's in the 90s, you had to borrow your dads pants and shoes, end of My mate wore a jumper once into ikon, got told “sorry mate, too casual” His reply “casual? This is cashmere” He’ll never live that down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Research continues on all vaccines for a long time after they are introduced into the populace. We've not skipped any steps with these vaccines - we've just taken the steps concurrently rather than sequentially, and have cleared the boards of all the other medications requiring regulatory sign off to speed things along. For comparison there's a brand new flu vaccine developed every 6-12 months but nobody seems to bat an eyelid at that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 34 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: Some positive things also happening in the Finland education system. They're teaching kids from a young age think critically and spot fake news and misinformation where it appears. Which in today's age is a vital skill. Be good to see it central to the curriculum over here. Everybody thinks they can think critically until they're actually shown how to think critically. And what practical steps you can take to try to minimise your own inherent bias. Such a brilliant idea to teach kids these skills. Cue people who've never been taught critical thinking skills saying 'yeah but then you're just indoctrinating kids to think a certain way' 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, kent_white said: Research continues on all vaccines for a long time after they are introduced into the populace. We've not skipped any steps with these vaccines - we've just taken the steps concurrently rather than sequentially, and have cleared the boards of all the other medications requiring regulatory sign off to speed things along. For comparison there's a brand new flu vaccine developed every 6-12 months but nobody seems to bat an eyelid at that? You don't have to prove you've had the flu vaccine to get into places though. Yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted July 30, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted July 30, 2021 4 hours ago, Ani said: But it is not an experiment so that does not apply does it ? I am not sure what part of testing of the vaccine have been missed, every medical expert seems to say consistently it has been done quickly as so much money was made available rather than skipping steps. Lot of talk about individual right to choose not have the vaccine but (assuming no one is saying the vaccine does not work) what about the rights of venues or people who work in venues to work in what they think is the safest way and to reduce the likelihood of having to stop work because of being pinged ? Only allowed vaccinated people in reduces the likelihood surely ? I keep going back to the fact that Jonathan VT knows more about this than nearly everyone else in the world so happy to be guided by him It's people's inalienable right to choose whether or not they have a vaccine or take medication, anything that is used to force or coerce them to do so violates their rights. Suggesting people will be refused entry or unable to travel does just that. If I'm not mistaken we were told that people who were double jabbed would be quite safe so in effect only those who haven't been jabbed should be in danger anyway.... but then again we have been told many things that have been contradicted about this virus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted July 30, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted July 30, 2021 54 minutes ago, kent_white said: Research continues on all vaccines for a long time after they are introduced into the populace. We've not skipped any steps with these vaccines - we've just taken the steps concurrently rather than sequentially, and have cleared the boards of all the other medications requiring regulatory sign off to speed things along. For comparison there's a brand new flu vaccine developed every 6-12 months but nobody seems to bat an eyelid at that? But nobody is hinting that not having those may restrict your freedoms are they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted July 30, 2021 Author Members Share Posted July 30, 2021 46 minutes ago, stevieb said: You don't have to prove you've had the flu vaccine to get into places though. Yet. Covid is more contagious, lingers in the air longer and the incubation period is significantly longer plus it kills a wider age range than flu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 35 minutes ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said: It's people's inalienable right to choose whether or not they have a vaccine or take medication, anything that is used to force or coerce them to do so violates their rights. Suggesting people will be refused entry or unable to travel does just that. If I'm not mistaken we were told that people who were double jabbed would be quite safe so in effect only those who haven't been jabbed should be in danger anyway.... but then again we have been told many things that have been contradicted about this virus. Any business in the country has a right to refuse entry and any employer has an obligation to protect their staff if they think this is right thing to do . Is that right being taken away ? One thing I can guarantee you is that in 9 -12,months there 'refused entry legal services' and 'caught Covid at work legal services' offering a no win no fee service. I personally think the current rumours are just that and being put out to drive up the take up rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted July 30, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted July 30, 2021 Anyone travelling to many parts of Africa need to show proof of their yellow fever vaccine at entry so for travel it isn't new. But requirements domestically is obviously new ground but I suppose so is this cunt of a virus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter FrancisFogarty Posted July 30, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted July 30, 2021 Social propaganda I don't know, but is Yarkshire trying to take over the country? Yorkshire Vet, Yorkshire Shepherdess, Yorkshire Auctioneer, Yorkshire Tea (duw it foh Yorkshire), that Plusnet Yorkshire internet. Not to mention the puddings and the bike race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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