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Love that last paragraph. A simple but effective way of explaining what this season is so far 👏

Hell of a draw that

I think the essence of the debate on this thread is different to the debate on the Brand Evatt one I don’t think anyone is saying fans can’t be pissed of at the moment, or not feel like it’s a Groundhog Day waiting for the next defeat in a big game, or feel like it’s time for a change. No one is saying it’s all rosy in the garden. Just that it’s been worse, far worse and we’ve stuck with it. Certainly not in the category of having a good Saturday and deciding you’re ditching it because you think the managers a wanker.

Good post that mate 👍👏

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God it was awful wasn’t it. Some of those seasons in the 80s, Freedman, Lennon’s season finishing bottom, The strike season, Anderson years, some of the matches under Parky which were an horrific watch. Makes our current situation seem like bliss 🤣. It’s a good thread for this debate, because despite some of the crap we go through and despite some of us enjoying ourselves doing other things this Saturday, we shouldn’t let hard times, or our dislike for a manager stop us supporting our team and looking forward to the good times to come.

Strange one this. Wasn’t it Paul Moulden’s lad? He always seemed really well liked with a good local link. Wonder what’s behind this?

Brilliant 🤣👏

This sounds like a piss take, but it’s not I’d take Evatt’s rinse and repeat moments every day over some of that horrible, corrupt, over-spending and miss management nonsense that went on for a decade plus. It’s gone full circle now where you feel you can’t mention “we nearly didn’t have a club”, as if it should be confined to history without repeat as we’ve had a number of years now and therefore shouldn’t be a L1 club, which translates to some as Evatt being the devil because he hasn’t got us up and somehow he’s held in worse opinion than some of those from the previous 14 years and a barrier to following the club as passionately as previously. I’m still amazed, more on other social media outlets, than on here, that some talk about losing their passion, not being as interested and even considering not going while Evatt’s still here. Crikey, I think some people are too young to have witnessed the 80s and/or have very short memories on some of the dirge and embarrassment we’ve been through in the past or have simply become snowflakes who can’t handle a bit of a hard time.

Can’t disagree there. Didn’t realise until the other week when Brentford were on TV that he is their set-piece coach. They were quite animated that he was openly practicing different corners in the warm-up in front of everybody, not knowing whether this was canny, foolish or a guise for what would really happen in the game. … the money grabbing, useless twat 😊

Let’s be honest nothing he says now after a poor performance or result is going to be listened to rationally and accepted as reasons by those who’ve made their minds up on Evatt. So on that point I agree with you. But I do understand why people are feeling negative now. This notion of us running in quick sand going nowhere and the rinse and repeat effect of wins we expect followed by calamities and surrenders against local/main rivals is really tiresome. We can’t expect to feel positive when we aren’t meeting expectations. For the first time in his 4 years here, there is undoubtedly a stagnation at best, us going downhill at worst. But for balance I’ll agree on your point of somehow we aren’t out of it yet, so yes, 3 wins in two tricky away games and beating Wigan, would swing the pendulum again for me and that’s what I’m hoping for. But it’s hope rather than expectation now. And somehow I know at the back of my mind there’s an other Stockport, Huddersfield, Birmingham or Oxford around the corner.

😂 I was thinking that. I still think NZ will come back. Just heard Finn say we’ve won the first test of our last 3 tours then gone on to lose the series. Some unusual shocking fielding from the Kiwis in the first innings, they take some of them catches it could have been a lot closer. But credit to England. Stokes with his mojo back, a good debut for Bethell, fine bowling from Carse, Pope showing his versatility and getting some runs. It will be interesting to see whether they go with the same side in second test. Is Smith joining them at all on this tour?

Well done with the running pal. 👏

I don’t think we are too far away in our opinion of Morley, which in turn probably isn’t far away from Evatt’s. There’s a player there, we’ve seen that at Wycombe and in his first 18 months with us. He went stale (Evatt could be questioned here) but he valued him enough to extend his contract and not write-off his time here by sending him on loan to prove himself. That means he either comes back a better player for us (but like you I’m still not sure he’s in our best 11), or we sell him on for cash (more now than what we would have cause he’s under extended contract) Where we may disagree is how much we ostracise Evatt, on the Morley situation. Personally I feel those being overly critical on Evatt for this situation are blowing with the wind. They’d find fault whatever the situation. If he’d gone to Wycombe and been shit we’d be listening to what a waste it was extending his contract, how Evatt had wrecked his career and what a bad signing he’d been. I go back to the point I made earlier, Evatt is getting a lot wrong at the moment, but that doesn’t mean that every decision he makes or has made in the past should be criticised. And in my opinion, moving Morley on, on loan shouldn’t be one to be throwing shit at him for.

Raising my head above the parapet here as my political knowledge is limited at best. But my understanding here is that 650 members of parliament are voting on something quite different here. Something personal, sensitive and controversial. Something that can be amended and details which can be confirmed and rubber stamped at a date further down the line. If that’s the case then we are left to look at whether assisted dying is humane or not? If that’s the case I fully understand all points of view. I understand why MPs opinion would cover all aspects; religious, societal, personal, etc. And why some might go to their electorate in making their decision. I don’t think there’s any right or wrong here. But I do feel that the overall principle, morality and humane integrity of allowing some ownership of individuals and their families over their lives and how they die with integrity is right.

Yeh unfortunately, looking after the fans will come low down on the priority list. They’ll have their date now and stick with it rather than say - “Do you know what, these fans have been pissed about with international rearrangements, (despite it being low level L1 football), they’ve had 3 away games rearranged already, so come on let’s give them something to look forward too” It could be an easy to travel to away game, which have been few and far between on Saturdays, a good weekend following, a game which needs a large passionate following behind them. But you just know that these thoughts will be a million miles away from the decision makers. Poor (I would love to be proven wrong and this fixture be moved)

Falls under the category of “Evatt is getting 90/100 things wrong at the minute, but fuck it let’s make it everything” Nobody came on here and said Evatt has it wrong when Morley went. Yet Evatt got criticism when he gave him an extended contract. So Morley either comes back a better player. Or we sell him on for a few hundred grand, thanks to us having given him an extension on his contract. Move on.

@tomski said he was out on the ale train. How was that pal? We met our eldest who’s at Liverpool JM and went to the markets - very nice 🍺 Had some shockers in the past filled with shopping and jobs. Not keen usually, but enjoyed it today. What have you all been up to? Bristol this time next week. Learnt enough that BWFC doesn’t define the day, so will enjoy regardless. But COYWM, Tuesday and Saturday wins please 😊

Fair enough. I’m always one to back down if I feel I’ve misinterpreted something and I like to feel I can be reflective and change my opinion after reading some considered debate on here. So @Eavesy if your post is a more heat in the moment response and you’re not out there hoping we lose games, then apologies. I can accept that my response could be considered inflammatory. Something which folk (including me in here, and definitely those on the politics thread 😊) forget is there is only one thing which bonds us together - BWFC And when we are so passionate about something, with different opinions, things can flare up. I’m moving on. Shame there’s no game Saturday. We’ll have to mull over that rubbish last night for a few more days 😊🙄😂

I don’t think people do think one form table means more than another. Well I don’t anyway. With Evatt it goes far further than this now. The trend of “key” games is more telling than any recent run. But on the flip-side you can’t expect it not to be used by fans, the manager and possibly even the board. In my eyes the board will be using this (rightly or wrongly), so that every time there is a blip, there’s a reset on what needs to happen and what results must look like over a period of time. We’ve had endless amounts of posts about what would it take for people to draw a line and lots of those are based around results over a period of time. The issue with “form” as you quite rightly state is; what is it? 10 games? 6 Games? People will just throw out what suits their opinion. But if you’re going to debate then expect it to be used.

Well there was one above which is why I called him out pal. There’s definitely a few others too. This particular debate has become twisted as me calling out out fans who don’t go to the games, and portraying myself as a super-fan which is nonsense. Anyone and everyone has an opinion, yours is as good as mine from a few thousand miles away. But once folk want us to lose that’s beyond reasonable debate in my mind.

Good post. Someone who can articulate a debate without throwing out nonsense about wanting us to lose. I was amazed he didn’t go after Huddersfield then Stockport. And personally I’d prefer someone else in very soon while there’s a chance to go up this year. However I think @gonzo makes some good points. And I add to that, that while he’s still here there are still some positives and I do get a bit frustrated that in these moments Evatt gets called out for absolutely everything and accused of all sorts. Don’t get me wrong a lot of it is justified and I am siding with most of it. But while the players and the board are backing him I don’t think it’s unreasonable that some fans will too.

What are you going on about? Talk about missing the point. Where to start unpicking your wild misinterpretations First of all, this was a point about folk wanting us to lose games. There are plenty of folk who despise Evatt, but don’t want us to lose. Satisfied with the last 4 years? With a few ups and downs, from July 2020 to May 2024 was a great progressive ride. From Oxford onwards, I’m very disappointed, I’ve made that clear if you bother reading my posts. And finally, how can the type of fans I’m calling out make us better if they want us lose?

In my defence it wasn’t a well explained post, just words and numbers with no explanation or context. We all have our lapses, you more than most 😊

Ah right. I’d misunderstood 👍