Eddie
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Keeper’s had a shocker there. Coleman would be crucified if he let that one in
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Get in! Now go and win it
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Not good when big deflections are going in for Derby and Pompey are missing open nets.
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It’s bad enough having this stress watching Bolton, never mind a different fucking team!
Pompey look good but their left back is awful.
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Just now, ZiggyStardust said:
Is it bugger - we dont score after going behind 😁
I’m delayed - that was nothing like watching Bolton 😂.
Get in you bell ringing twats
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FFS Pompey, it’s like watching Bolton this. Derby hadn’t even been near their goal before that
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Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:
Is the weather that bad?
Yep.
Hammering it down. Ball rolling fine but you can see the water spraying up behind it when it rolls.
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16 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said:
His reading of game was really good yesterday, nipping in to win the ball and move us forward. Got involved high up the pitch quite a bit too
He’s got a brilliant ‘football brain’ and as you say, reads the game really well.
The one area I think he needs to improve if he’s to move up the leagues, which I think he’s more than capable of doing, is his strength / use of his body. The only time I’ve seen him look flustered is when he has a big striker, usually old experienced pro that is clever with how to unsettle defenders that pulls onto him and targets him for a battle.
Pretty sure it will come over the next few years just with experience and filling out (stick him on the GT summer ‘23 gym regime) and otherwise you can see that he’s just all class and will go on to at least play top end of the championship.
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8 hours ago, Zico said:
Looking at their fixtures
I only really see the next two fixtures being problematic for Derby
If they lose to Pompey and don't beat Wycombe it's game on
We'd have to win all our games but the next 4 shouldn't pose too many issues for us either
I wouldn’t rule out Cambridge away being a tricky one either, just the same as me not thinking Bristol is an easy one for us (based on form, Bristol is the easier game). Any away game at this point is a tricky one.
I do think that their other 2 home games are a guaranteed 6 points, but again I think our home games with Port Vale and Shrewsbury will be the same.
It probably won’t be this simple but in my mind it’s down to
Us - Bristol away, Pompey home, Posh away
Them - Pompey away, Wycombe away, Cambridge away
We need to better them by 3 points and a bit of goal difference.
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Pompey have been relentless at home (10 wins and 3 draws in the last 13) and Derby aren’t great away (3 wins against Bristol, Exeter and Charlton and 3 losses in the last 6).
Fingers crossed Pompey carry on and then it’s technically back in our hands.
It’s the hope that kills you…
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7 minutes ago, desperado said:
Absolutely.
I don’t get why people can’t be balanced and change/alter their opinion.
I did it after Stevenage with Evatts pre and post match comments, which I didn’t like.
With some, once they’ve nailed their colours to the mast, it’s like that’s it, no matter what happens I have to keep to that opinion.
We’d have had folk on here if we’d lost saying Santos shouldn’t have started, Evatt picked the wrong team, JDB (😊) should never have started, why did Dempsey not start and a shed load of other shit.
But do they come on here after a 5 goal for victory and say perhaps they were wrong…. do they fuck!! 🤣
Time of the year. Every single result means so much that they are taken in isolation and even those that are usually more rationale lose that ability to be (even just in the heat of the moment).
We were quality today. High intensity from the off, top performances all over the park and 8-2 wouldn’t have flattered us when you look at some of the chances that didn’t go in.
I would say it isn’t a surprise, it’s another game that we should win, and as usual we do. But that sounds a bit negative and it shouldn’t because the pressure was on and it never looked like it. Even after they equalised it just looked like we knew we’d go up the other end and score.
Pompey win by a couple tomorrow and we beat Shrewsbury by a couple in our game in hand and we’re back in the automatic spots. It’s far from over!
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He didn’t pull out of anything, he got there too late and realised if he took him down he gets a yellow. There were a calamity of failed clearances before it got to that and as per usual we have shit luck with a long range deflection.
It should have been meaningless with the chances we’ve had
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It should be 5. Got to be a matter of time hasn’t it?
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8 minutes ago, Steejay said:
Not looking to take anything away from him… but there’s a massive deflection on it
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I’d forgotten. I’ll still be renewing. I reckon there will loads in a similar boat / waiting for this month’s pay.
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The thing that has given me a renewed sense of optimism is the fact that previous games in hand were generally difficult and so were never likely to equal 3 points per game in hand - our game in hand on Derby now is Shrewsbury at home, which if we’re being completely honest is as close to a banker as you’re ever going to get.
Realistically (and accepting we could very well get 1 or 0 points) we should now only be 1 point behind Derby with 6 other games to play. In those 6 we’ve both got 3 relatively easy games and 3 that appear tougher and so a 1 point swing could very easily happen.
Add in that they have an older squad that has form in running out of steam and are piling up with important injuries / bans and I have some confidence back that we can do it. Bookies have us pretty much equal with them as well.
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1 minute ago, masi 51 said:
I am in no way having a go at FV and if they sell up i hope they go with a great big profit and a eternal gratitude and warm welcome back anytime they return.
Anyone who bought us out at that time would leave us in a better state could we have sunk any lower.
The plan was a three year plan on getting us to the championship and then they would re-evaluate..They have got us to the brink of the Championship but the club has now got Debt despite having 20m plus pumped into the club by outside sources ie Government, Swiss investors and the fans Bond scheme. I said no player has been brought through.....Yes the can be a strong case for Thomason. The infrastructure has not been Addressed ie the roof and the training ground at Lostock. Everyone has bought in to the re-growth of the club and that has helped.
We have a home average of 20k despite us all knowing that is false. The naming rights of the ground we was told would leave no stone unturned. Toughsheet three miles from the stadium was chosen and yes again can not have a go at Toughsheet........Great backers and supporters of the team. A interesting six weeks coming up and lets see where we are come the summer
To be fair Masi, I do see your point in terms of it looking like we’re working through every source of funding, which in some cases could look worrying (and certainly would have done under the old ownership).
When you take each in turn though I think they all make sense, and again this is against the backdrop that the alternative is Sharon’s own cash which she quite rightly just won’t do:
Gov’t - pay us back £[5]m or we’ll accept 8% of your business instead. It valued us at about £60m from memory, which is mental (and shows how uncommercial our government is). I don’t expect the original plan was to have the gov’t as shareholders but when someone offers you at 2 or 3 times the true value of something then you’d be crazy to turn it down.
Fan bond - normal borrowing routes are closed, and even if you could find someone willing to lend us £4-5m then they’d be charging 15-20% interest due to the risk. The bond is a way to borrow money, which can be invested into the club to improve it (as all businesses do) when more conventional routes aren’t available. It’s also a way to reduce the cost of that debt by playing on supporters’ goodwill. Again, it makes financial sense to do so and supporters are happy because they’re getting more than they would if the cash was in the bank (albeit more risk) and helping the club.
Swiss investors - mentioned it before but if you’re happy to dilute your own shareholding then why not accept outside investment if it’s on terms you’re happy with?
Other points - naming rights. Finding a fan who has an emotional attachment is probably your most lucrative deal worldwide. No matter how big a company is, the market value of sponsoring a league 1 stadium is exactly that, market rate. If you have a fan that can afford market rate, but is also happy to pump more money into the club because of the emotional aspect, then you’re probably going to get more than if you got Coca Cola or Amazon to sponsor it.
No issue with you having a different view on the ownership by the way, nobody should have to agree just because the majority do and it’s actually good to have a level of scepticism and scrutiny to keep everyone honest. I’m just pointing out a few areas from a strictly financial perspective which I don’t see why they would do it any other way.
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40 minutes ago, Casino said:
gomes back a few weeks in, too
he was looking a player
Good shout and he was definitely starting to show what he can do.
Even more question about where Dan fits then, as for me he’s 5th choice even if we stay in this league.
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6 minutes ago, masi 51 said:
Doubt there has been a time in our 150 year history where we never bought a player through in that timescale.
Great that they saved the club and Sharon has been a great role model but i hope to god these Swiss backers have got a better business model
By ‘better business model’ what you actually mean is more money that they’re willing to pump into a loss making L1 football club?
There will be no stone left unturned from Sharon with regards to the business model, we’ll be exploring every avenue of how we are more sustainable as a club - it benefits both her and the club to do so.
She’s clearly not going to chuck all of her eggs (cash) into our basket, she’s not daft enough to do so. Most businesses in a market that actually makes financial sense would be borrowing money from banks and other lenders in order to invest and improve the performance, loss making football clubs don’t have that option so she’s instead found willing investors with the acceptance that she dilutes her shareholding. I don’t see the problem in that?
Clearly we need either to produce kids that we can sell on for a tidy profit (easier said than done and needs material investment in the academy in the first place) or we need the whole ‘moneyball’ buy potential low and hope we sell high to start kicking in for the club to stand on its own two feet, but it’s not something you can just assume in a business model because it’s unknown to an extent (you could make an argument that it’s something you can improve, I’d agree with that). I’d put a lot of money on the club now having a 3-5 year forecast / business model which has varying eventualities and supporting financial options for each.
The idea that the ‘Swiss guys’ (aren’t they Nick Luckock’s brother?) would have a better model by chucking more cash at it just puts us back at square one. Bigger losses, more reliant on our owner to pump in cash every year and therefore more likely to go bump and drop down the leagues to start it all again (ring any bells?).
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9 hours ago, L/H White said:
Bod will definitely be off
If another bid comes for Vic so will he
Jerome finished
Leaves us with Charles & Collins
I can't count Dan
Dan’s a funny one. He’s not really shown anything so far that suggests he can be a genuinely contributing part of a strike force that is challenging for promotion from L1 (I’m not having it that his cameos in 2 games pre injury count - they’re getting the Joe Riley treatment), although Evatt has nailed his colours to the mast and we know how stubborn he is when he’s done that and so if we do stay down I think he’s genuinely seen as 1 of the 4.
If that’s the case, and we do stay down, then unless a bid comes in for Charles or Vic then I’d say we’ve got our 4 for next season - Charles, Vic, Collins, Dan. I just can’t see a scenario where either Bod or Jerome are with us next year.
If we go up though, what the hell happens to Dan? We’ve paid good money for him not too long ago, Evatt has backed him to the hilt with some slightly over the top quotes, but it’s questionable as to whether he could even cut it in the current league, never mind the Championship (personally I don’t think he’s good enough from what I’ve seen). You either let him go, but I’d be surprised if we even recouped what we paid, never mind made a profit on him which will have been the aim at the outset, or we continue to stick with him and take up a space in the squad with what will likely be a player that just isn’t at the level and everybody knows it.
You never know, he could prove us all wrong and we do go up and it somehow clicks and he becomes this player that Evatt has told us he can be, but it’ll be a big risk to assume that he will. I’m not sure I’d be wanting to go into the Champ with Charles, Vic, Collins and Dan as our striking options!
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Pay a decent fee for anyone and you’re paying them well - you’ve shown your hand in terms of value to you and they’re not therefore going to accept being paid less than their ‘fair share’. That means Collins and Vic will be big earners.
I reckon Johnston will have known his value when signing his new contract and so he’ll be up there, santos as club captain should be up there, Baxter will likely be up there considering he was on a free and therefore in a competitive market and JDB being an international who dropped a division (although he got a new contract in the summer didn’t he, and so might have had to accept lesser terms to stay).
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12 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:
Pretty stark reading that. Not in terms of our financial stability, there are clearly plans in place and funding secured / identified, but just football in general (which is not really a surprise to be fair).
We’ve got owners and Management that have a lot of business acumen, they have plans in place for us to become self-sustainable, they have managed to double considerable chunks of our revenue streams, we’re one of the biggest clubs in the league and therefore footballing revenues will reflect that, and despite all that we can’t break even.
The key reason will be player wages and running costs of the stadium, so what do you do? Reduce the wage bill which likely means a worse team and therefore accepting you won’t likely get promoted (which then has a knock on negative impact on revenue and becomes a vicious circle) or you have a smaller stadium, which isn’t a possibility, but if it was would also mean lower revenue generation both in the current league and ability to maximise revenue if you were to get promoted.
It’s a completely broken industry and is wholly reliant on supplementing your trading revenue with profit on player sales (which is easier said than done) or being propped up by your owner. I suppose as long as there are enough people that want to fund the losses of a club in the hope they can get it to the Prem and cash out for profit then it will carry on, it just goes against any other normal industry.
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3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:
Cogley played there once for tactical reasons too. Won iirc.
Charlton away?
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Good topic this Gonzo - more suited to a Saturday in the pub rather than a day when I could do with getting plenty of work done though 🥴.
Portsmouth v Derby
in Terrace Talk
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Draw suits both teams and you can tell since that equaliser went in.
Oh well, win our game in hand and we’ve got to make up 1 point in 4 games. Far from unachievable