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Look at the link I provided. It's all there. They are free to some and go, albeit with security on site. Maybe the locals who have had instances that have raised concerns, should have those taken into consideration in the first instance, rather than the rights of the migrants?

You can't do anything about those that already have them- that's pretty obvious. Historically, they haven't used them- they being a deterrent. As they are with Israel, who I have every faith wouldn't use them as an offensive weapon. Even Putin hasn't. In the hands of a terrorist state, that might not be so clear. Especially one whose interest isn't governing its people for the better, but to destroy the state of Israel. Remember, there are plenty of virgins waiting for them if they cop for a nuke in return. It's pretty clear why they shouldn't have them.

We do have processing centres, but not enough capacity as the system is so slow and so many are arriving. Hence the hotels to accommodate them in the meantime. Numbers arriving won't change whilst they're getting top accommodation, medical treatment, food etc, and freedom to wander about. Life of fucking Riley. But yes, an island as far north as possible, an accommodation ship or whatever. Get it done, and get people their jobs back.

Aye. It really is a struggle to grasp for some. Asylum seeker/illegal immigrant is not equal to Political prisoner/prisoner of war/unermensch etc by horrible regimes. Neither is their treatment.

There is an island off Scotland somewhere, where they tested anthrax many decades ago. Might be safe now!

The capacity is based on accommodation in buildings. Field/emergency tents will do just fine. The throughput should be rapid, and therefore never bulging. After all, we were promised that the asylum/immigration system would be sorted. Of course it won't though, just like it wasn't before. Then folk wonder why Reform is polling so well.

There are no legal issues with using hotels. The only overall issue is allowing unknown people freedom to move about. If some lawyer or ECHR type says it can't be done, then tell them it is being done, and ignore their rulings. Just like many others members do fairly regularly.

Interestingly, following another u-turn the Weathersfield camp is now going to be expanded, not closed. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/asylum-accommodation-wethersfield/wethersfield-factsheet Strangely, it operates in pretty much the exact way I was describing. Education, health care provided. Not at all bad for folk fleeing war torn places and persecution. Security people and police involved to protect the local community. Rather than allowing freedom to come and go, keeping them locked in would allay fears, and also offer potential cost savings in keeping tabs on them. Free up the hotels so that they can get back to contributing to the economy, and re-employ those workers that have lost their jobs. Not difficult.

He's at MK Dons. May help explain the Collins transfer.

So that other, less reliable, terrorist regimes don't get to make such calls.

Bollocks. Why should these unknown individuals, many with dodgy backgrounds be able to walk free in society? Get them into camps, in tents, food provided, exercise and entertainment available until they're processed. Some disappear into the black economy, some commit serious crimes. If you're happy for that, then fine, but just have a think if it was your family member that was harrased, raped or murdered. Not once did I mention concentration etc, but as usual individuals choose to apply their judgemental attitudes without engaging brain.

The risk of giving them work, is that it becomes even more attractive to come. They should be in sealed camps until they're processed. Get that done quickly, ignore stupid appeals and decisions by ECHR judges, and fuck them off. If they are going to be put to work, they must be doing something that the country isn't adequately achieving; for example clearing shit from the environment. Not doing something that could put people's jobs at risk. That work should then be payment for their board and food whilst they're processed.

It's still his decision whether to go there, or anywhere else for that matter. Wouldn't surprise me if he has been told he can leave given SS' statements, but I suppose Collins has the cards by dint of his contract.

Once saw a gardener's van somewhere in west Lancs, with a logo of "Acer Spades"- another witty play on words.

Just going back to Blair and Iraq- whilst the wmd thing was a bit of an illusion, Salam had used them previously against his own people, and I think that gets lost at times. Fast forward to Iran, and we see a state where its own people are starved of freedoms in so many ways, and would no doubt welcome a new, more democratic and open governance. There appears to be no desire to go into Iran, deploying troops to eject these evil leaders from power. It is simply an attempt to degrade nuclear and military facilities and at the same time, if that facilitates a popular uprising by the people, then so be it. There is a balance to be had in terms of enforced regime change versus the risks to the wider region via ballistic missiles that are already capable of reaching much of Europe and the wider middle east (and thus many military bases), and the risk that they may be coupled with nuclear warheads. Just seen a video smuggled out of Iran and passed to a journalist. It shows total gridlock in Tehran from fleeing people, shops closed and streets largely empty. The person filming talks about his hatred for his own leadership, and also a lack of belief that Israel cares about him and the people. He also says he's staying and trying to continue his daily business. Such a mass movement won't sit easy with the leadership, and perhaps indicates the potential for uprising being greater.

Quite possibly. BN article does explain though that their manager has coveted him previously. It is possible too, that if they have sufficient cash, then they can make these surprise bids- just like Wrexham and Brum have done. At the same time, if the feelers have been put out so to speak, then the agent would only be doing his job in trying to get something sorted.

Ethnic cleansing? Christ on a Harley- beyond ridiculous. Won't engage any further on it.

The lies. The spin and the bullshit. Telling victims, their families etc who want justice they're far right. The very thing he and his party said would be cleaned up. His ministers being caught out- just like the last lot- and resigning. Politics does rely on reacting to the situation, and isn't east to please everyone, least of all within your own party, but dissing and dismissing concerns of the public is a huge no-no and he should know better.

Each to their own, but I think it's fully deserved. Like all governments they do some good things and some bad. However some of the messaging and insults have been terrible- especially when u turns are made later. For a former lawyer, who I've always though was measured in parliament, to go with these comments shows a weakness that will be exploited- and by his own party as much as anyone else. Rumours abound already that Rayner is already on manoeuvres. That car crash interview by the minister the other day, together with a couple of others having issues, doesn't help his cause. He's not daft though, and this decision will garner some support, and the timing could give him a boost come the next election if the findings allow a clear out at various levels. The potential for a lot of political shenanigans in the interim.

No one has argued to the contrary on that. It's the associated shit that needs uncovering and punishing.

How would they have done that initially? An army of Hamas fighters isn't simply going to wave a bunch of Israeli cement mixers through.

In fairness, much of that will have been towing the party line- collective responsibility I think they name it in political circles. Also, a lot of those mps will be new members and very unlikely to upset the apple cart- especially if they were whipped.

Indeed. Good decision. Johnson also did a number of about turns too. Obviously supporters will generally applaud such a decision, and opponents will criticise. The electorate will judge in the end. Just seen Casey giving evidence to the committee- only caught a few seconds, but by the fuck were they revealing. I'm paraphrasing but she said the evidence wasn't difficult to find and her predecessors should have looked a bit harder but didn't. Much of the new evidence has been out in the public domain, hence the call for a proper, public inquiry. For that reason, making the u-turn on the basis of this report will be met with a high degree of cynicism. Especially given the nature of previous comments that those asking for it were jumping on a far-right bandwagon. It is clearly the right decision, but for many he will have crossed a line that he can't get back from.

Can't see anything on that. Must need to be on X. So it's all meh. 😁

So, the headline is that Collins' move edges closer- does that mean that it is essentially done, or could he be thinking "I'm not so sure about this". By accepting the offer, is this just a continuation of FV's policy- as we did with Tomo- whereby every player has a price, but it's up to the player as to whether he wants to go; or is there more to it, with the gaffer saying, "I'm not guaranteeing you a starting place and it may for be the best to look elsewhere" Something did go awry last season, with some strong comments about needing better players etc and attitudes seemed to weaken. For me, I'd like him to stay, fit into a more resilient team and continue to provide some of that flair to go with it. Doesn't look like that will be the case though, which is fair enough, but we have to then strengthen the forward line dramatically. Vic out for ages, and not a great record. Dan- well it's Dan. McAtee- hit and miss, a moaner and good at smoothing mortar between bricks. New fella. Nothing greatly whets the appetite amongst those we do have.