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The data supports this As a total group White people perform pretty poorly in the U.K., marginally better than Black Caribbean but in the whole both groups are miles off both Indian and Chinese If you look at working class white lads only then the data gets even worse I’m not comfortable banding about the words ‘white privilege’ like they do on the BLM web site. Your average young Black Kid predominantly lives in the big cities that have had much more investment and have many more economic opportunities. Yet so many young working class white kids from post industrial towns up and down the country face challenges as well. Indian and Chinese groups face challenges also yet they have a culture of pushing their kids hard through education and pays off big time through all data up to and including average life expectancy The BLM movement just seem to me to be trying to divide white vs Black rather than look at what’s really behind poorer economic performance for our black community

Another quote from the U.K. BLM web site... ‘Black history and white history are entwined with white pillage. White domination, white supremacy, white power and white denial of atrocities against black bodies handed down by the white hand.’ BLM far from a simple anti racism message for me, much more divisive really https://blacklivesmatter.uk

I think taking the knee is in support of BLM Who believe the U.K. system is systemically racists Go on the BLM U.K. web site, on the home page, it has a picture of Lewis Hamilton taking the knee with a BLM T shirt on and the comment about white people having privilege etc etc Thats more than just anti racism https://blacklivesmatter.uk

it’s an opinion, a political one granted but an opinion all the same If you spent less time being shitty with people and more time trying to have some proper dialogue on the issues of systemic racism then you might come across a bit better (you might not be bothered to be fair) You gave me a shitty reply on Sunday night, inviting me to go onto the ONS to look at the data for myself. I did and shared the data that shows White people underperform vs Chinese and Indian compatriots in nearly all the data. That IMO indicates that the system isn’t racist and cultural differences are the key to economic development (not skin colour) I’ve yet to see anything from you that supports your opinion, would appreciate if you did share, ideally ONS data as you requested from me

Ok So with a booooo, it isn’t clear what your objecting But taking the knee is clear, even though it’s not clear if it’s in support of BLM or not

Genuinely interested to know what this future looks like What is it you think should be different?

You could say the same about taking the knee It’s quite a blunt way to protest on such a wide subject As we know it can be a simple anti racism message or much more (a belief that the system is racists etc)

Ah ok Personally find it hard to believe that our system is rigged in favour of anyone but black people. Especially when Black people in this country who have come from Africa tend to outperform Black Caribbean’s and Whites in many areas (predominantly around Education). When you consider the ethnic group at the bottom of all the tables (Gypsies) are white it firms up my belief that skin colour isn’t the most important factor, culture within the different groups is the key to educational and economic success Some black people use racism as a crutch to explain lack of economic development

Always been ambiguity with it, it’s covers a huge amount of ground from a simple anti racism message at one end, through a belief that Western systems like the UK’s is systemically racists in the middle to the outright anarchism at the other end To be fair, they denounce the violence and vandalism on that U.K. web site so I will ignore the extreme element. However it’s fair to say that their core belief, that the vast majority in the group share, is that our system is Systemically racist. That’s basically saying our education, healthcare, welfare systems etc are inherently racist in favour if white people. I fundamentally disagree with that, as do many others. It’s a highly political opinion that has no place in football for me, that should be left to politics, election manifestos and democratic votes. Any support from football clubs and players to BLM is support for that political opinion in my book. They are allowed that opinion of course, but others should be allowed to oppose it as long as they do it in a non violent way

Still waiting for you to show me some data where White British outperform either our Indian or Chinese compatriots Struggling to see how the system is so biased in favour of white people when we perform so poorly in so many areas against these groups

Who knows? Do you know how everyone who sees it will take it? Will they think that City are only supporting the slogan or will they think that Coty are supporting the movement? I’m sure plenty of people watching it think Manchester City will be doing it for more than just a simple anti racism message Just had a nosey on the U.K. BLM web site... ABOUT US Black Lives Matter is an international human rights movement, that highlights and campaigns against violence and systemic racism towards black people also found it interesting that they have flagged this about protesting, which is all that Millwall fans were doing, perhaps it’s not allowed if your protest is against the BLM movement... Protesting is a Human Right law and the Human Rights A 1998 Article 11 of the European Convention of Human Rights provides freedom of assembly. This means that every individual, regardless of cause has the right to protest, march or demonstrate in a public space.

City have a huge flag covering some of the stand that says Black Lives Matters Appreciate we’ve talked a lot about how the PL & EFL clubs have tried to distance themselves from it but its still clear the protests are linked to the BLM movement The BLM does have political opinions that our system is racist, if clubs and players want to be linked to that then it’s fine, it’s their decision and everyone has a right to that opinion. However they also need to respect that many people don't believe in that opinion and they should be free to voice their objection, freedom of speech as long as you don’t take it too far (abusive etc) It feels like Millwall and their fans came to a compromise that allowed an anti racism message get across without anything divisive, such a compromise between a club, it’s players and fans is a good thing surely I don’t believe that I’m a racist, I certainly do t think that Black Lives Don’t Matter, however I fundamentally disagree with the opinions of the BLM movement. If BWFC want to support it then fine, I’d like to think it’s within my rights to voice my disapproval if so

I would imagine its partly due to household penetration, toilet roll being one of the highest in this area (95% of households buy toilet roll, god knows what the other 5% use to wipe their arse's). I'd also guess its due to the size of the product, you cant get as many selling units on a supermarket fixture as you can most other products that are much smaller. Thus when people start to buy more products to stock up its the first one to look Iike its nearly out, the fear of not being able to buy the product drives even more demand and cleans the fixture out even quicker The size then has an impact on re supply, you cant get as many units on a truck so replenishing the stores with new stock is less effective, a full Lorry of toilet roll might only last 7 days in store, a full truck of Tea might last 28 days. The issue here is getting a picking slot at a Supermarket depot. Back in March we had stock available, the supermarkets system ordered it, our truck arrived at the supermarket distribution center and was turned away as they simply didn't have enough man power to unload all trucks For every 10 trucks we need to get slots for the toilet roll suppliers will likely need to get 30 in to service the same number of buying units

I manage our Tesco account They came in about 6 weeks for a months worth of additional stock cover in order to protect against any issues

Aye Youd think they would have tried to avoid inciting anything for everyone’s benefit, wankers Wyats gone on at PSG with this abandoned game? Only caught the back end of it on the news, did it really get postponed because the referee referred to Ba as Black Guy? I’m all for players walking off if they receive racial abuse, however I wouldn’t regard that as abuse, certainly not worth walking for I see Neymar tweeted Black Lives Matter - Won’t help land the message that football protests have nothing to do with BLM, perhaps in France / other sports they still do to be fair

Can’t wait for this However, just gone to sort a hotel, ridiculous money, fucking jocks must have piled in and taken them Fuck knows what I’ll do now, thinking pull an all nighter and get the first train back But then again the fuckers will be all over the West Coast Main line as well

All this worry about freezer storage, don’t forget about chill factor! How many of those do we have in the U.K.? Those places can get as Cold as you like and serve as distribution centres for the vaccine Bingo

I’ve no issue with them taking a knee if they want, just make it perfectly clear that the protest isn’t supporting the BLM movement Think they are half way there already but the media have missed it as much as fans have Others might still see the taking a knee but as a direct link to BLM after the movement forced police officers onto a knee at the riots, I don’t know It’s the clarity about having distanced themselves from BLM that’s the one

Weren't the DUP in the dd position of wanting us out of the EU, but with no checks on the ROI border or in the Irish Sea? Not sure how they imagined that would work if so In other news, were a little nervous of WTO this end, some of the tariffs we will have to pay aren't good - Not sure if WTO is still on the table or not

Of course However the BLM movement in the summer were protesting about much more than an unlawful killing. Certainly in the UK, where nobody was killed unlawfully it was predominantly around Systemic Racism (I don't think I heard racial abuse at football get mentioned at all). The point around the UK being systemically racists is a subjective one and is highly political as its inferring that our education, healthcare, welfare etc are all racist by nature. For that reason I see BLM as political as the other slogans that I have mentioned To be fair back in 2016 we had very similar divisions based on the 'system being broke' taking immigration policy out of hands and migrants stealing jobs etc. It ended up with a large anti establishment movement that voted us out of the EU. Again I don't think that would have been suitable for a sporting protest, any political movement that's purpose is to say the countries system inst working should be kept away from sport as its just too divisive Lets have movement that brings people together around anti racism with no grey areas of subjective politics

If the relevant authorities decide to try to completely distance themselves from BLM in order to bring more people on board / offend less people then its surely a good thing (especially seen as footballers are saying they aren't supporting the BLM movement anyway) If however then certain footballers decide they aren't happy with that and break rank to go above and beyond a simple racism message in order to support the BLM movement then that would certainly been seen as a politically motivated move and would invite criticism (rightly so) I'd not want to see any political slogan supported officially at a football match, Take back control, Black Lives Matter, get BREXIT done etc etc

Highly doubt it if its made absolutely clear that they are no way supporting the BLM movement

Spring? I was hoping that we would get out for Mad Friday

This I’d go as far to say that currently it’s really unclear what they are taking the knee in support of, multiple mainstream news outlets have come out and stated that the Millwall fans were booing players who were taking the knee in support of the BLM movement If journalists from reputable news outlets have got the reasons behind it wrong then that’s going to misinform many millions of people As things stand the players aren’t supporting the BLM movement but many people think they are doing, clarity on the matter would go along way to ending the division Hopefully the move by QPR and Millwall to wear ‘kick it out’ T shirts and link arms rather than kneel will really help differentiate it. Let’s hope all the media can report it that way to help end the misunderstanding

Jesus No wonder he is on the lam