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  1. 41 minutes ago, Zico said:

    The point was the headline of the article saying dementia care is expensive so funding should be made available to ex footballers 

    I agree with the last sentence, but that's not the point either

    Maybe we need to make a distinction between many modern day footballers who will make huge wealth over the course of their careers and the likes of John Ritson who made little more than blokes who did other jobs during their era. 

    The NHS doesn't provide social care - that's provided by councils. And if you've got more than about £25K in savings that are vast charges.

  2. 8 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

    That's what I remember when I think of John Ritson.  Except I wasn't there, it was a night match and it was live commentary on BBC (radio 2?).  That great commentator Peter Jones described this shot of Ritson and as a kid he made it sound to me like a 40 yard pile driver hit like an exocet.  The commentary was so evocative it made me want to go to the next Bolton game and watch Ritson play.  I never saw him hit a pile driver in the few times I saw him!  But he was such a dependable, bone fide full back, they don't make them like that now.

    And they don't make commentators anything like Peter Jones but that's for another thread.

    Peter Jones was the best there was or is every likely to be. There were others in his day like Bryon Butler and Larry Canning but he was the best of the lot. Would have loved to have heard his commentary on Ritson's goal. It would have been Radio 2 in those days. Two commentators and one co-commentator, often Dennis Law.

  3. 9 minutes ago, Casino said:

    Most notable goal was an ET winner free kick to knock Spurs out of the FA Cup

    Ironic we got Tottenham in the cup in the same year we were in a promotion fight with them. A great 2-1 home win in front of a big attendance at a night match. It was a replay too.

  4. 11 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

    Think he scored a long range cracker at Mansfield the year we got promoted… very consistent and reliable full back…. Can’t remember him playing in the top flight the year after though. 

    Aye that's right. Only goal of the game. Without looking it up I'd say that game was in late winter/early spring just as nerves were kicking in after the two near misses for promotion. I think you are right re the top flight. But he did play in that last game of 77/8 v Fulham at home with 34000 on at Burnden. Check at 1:04 and you see Ritson come close with one of his long rangers 

     

  5. 2 minutes ago, MancWanderer said:

    Ritson, Dunne, Allardyce, Jones in front of Seamus. Superb!!!

    He certainly had a shot in him

    Great servant to BWFC. Sad news

    With Mick Walsh and Peter Nicholson all around in the same squad. Happy days.

  6. 3 minutes ago, wakey said:

    He used to take most of our free kicks anywhere near their box.

    Hit the wall 9 times out of 10 from (my very young at the time) memory.

    I may well be doing him a disservice, but that's what I remember most about him.

    Sad news - horrible disease that.

    It's tough to remember stuff from being very young. 

    Us hitting the wall is my main memory of all Bolton free kicks from just outside the box in the 70s to be honest!! Then you'd watch Glenn Hoddle on the telly and compare and contrast! 

    After doing the original post I remembered meeting John Ritson briefly at Holy Harbour. This would have been the early 80s after he'd called it a day. He was watching a Bolton Combination match in which an uncle of mine was playing. 

  7. A long serving and really quality ex-right back of ours from the 70s (for those too young to remember). He's featured on the news this week with his daughter Chloe speaking out about her Dad's dementia and the wider subject of ex footballers and dementia.

    I only saw the tail end of his career and my main memory of him wasn't his defensive but game but the fact he had a very powerful shot. I'm sure there are others out there who will have longer memories of him.

    Chloe Ritson: Dementia care is so expensive | 'Funding has to be there for ex-players' | Football News | Sky Sports 

    Here's his Wikipedia page for those who want his stats and some detail. He's 74 years old now and clearly has a good family around him.

    John Ritson - Wikipedia

  8. 7 minutes ago, Zico said:

    Said it already 

    We need 2 midfielders 

    Someone to replace Magohma who isn't Dempsey 

    And someone to protect and allow whoever it is and Sheehan to play their game who isnt GT

    And either to be vocal and lead the team on the pitch who isn't Santos 

    Personally I think that'd be enough players wise

    I agree. Two in midfield, different types to what we've got now, one of them a holding midfielder. 

    I'd also go after a new central defender - a high quality one. That way we can release Jones and Iredale to focus more on wing back. We know those two can play there if we get thin on numbers but Santos, Johnston, Forrester and Toal plus one other would do. The new one being an upgrade!

    (If I had to pick one centre back from the last 20 years who'd be spot on for us in this particular side it'd be Tal Ben Haim. I know we'd never get a Prem level international but someone in that style)

  9. Just now, Whitesince63 said:

    If IE stays then I’d go along with that Paul but if not I’d want him to stick round and see who comes in. We don’t play him the same as Burton did but if you look at his goals there about 12 from 15 were in and around the 6 yards box but he rarely gets there with Evatt’s system. Horse for courses I suppose?

    Quite possibly. Players can certainly look very different when deployed in other systems under alternative managers. 

    .... what you're saying there however does beg the question why we signed the lad in the first place if he's not suited to our system! 

  10. 14 minutes ago, waffer cup 07 said:

    Name one, they don't exsist in the modern game. I do agree we need a defensive midfielder.

    There are many things about days gone by that don't apply in today's footy. We need a midfield bastard of the 2024 vintage, not Tommy Hutchinson, Gerry Gow, Graeme Souness or Terry Hurlock! 

    We need a leader/a talker in there who is able to be physical within the constrains of the modern day game but also to marshall us and stop us being out-generalled if the game starts turning against us. Just a bit of experience and know-how. 

     

  11. 1 minute ago, Whitesince63 said:

    But isn’t that the problem with IE, everything is same as. Set up, system, substitutions, he likes two players for every position but they must be the same so when he does bring on his “finishers” it’s just like for like again. As you say we have no variety to be able to change it up. It’s great in one respect because it breeds continuity but it ain’t half frustrating when it’s not working and you know subs coming on won’t make any difference?

    "No plan B"; "we need a midfield bastard"; "we bottle big games" ; "flat track bullies". 

    It was all said in Summer 2023. It's still being said in Summer 2024. You're right, summat has to change.

  12. Just now, Whitesince63 said:

    If we kept the same system yes but if we just allowed strikers to be strikers and get in the box which is where Victor needs to be to do some damage you might see it differently. 🙂

    I had the impression Victor was being pretty strongly linked with a move abroad in the January window. It would not surprise me one bit to see that being re-heated. If we get can 75% of what we paid for him I'd let him go. 

  13. 9 minutes ago, captainmed said:

    What really pissed me off was the fact that 70% of their support didn’t really care.

    There are very few clubs who could get so many at Wembley with an average home gate below 10K. 

    Living in Oxfordshire I can confirm they were day-trippers. Even the hard core who turn out week in week out tend also to support a Prem side. 

    To be fair they've been as good as gold me with since Monday when back at work. 

    ...... despite that I hope the cunts crash and burn in the Championship next season! 

  14. 5 hours ago, Mantra said:

    Expiring June 2025:

    Baxter, Coleman;

    Santos, Iredale, Jones, Cogley, Randell;

    Sheehan;

     

    Expiring June 2026:

    Johnston, Forrester;

    Dempsey, Mendes-Gomes;

    Charles, Victor, Nlundulu;

     

    Expiring June 2027:

    Toal;

    Morley, Thomason;

    Collins;

     

     

    With that in mind, who would you:-

    1. Renew

    2. Keep

    3. Sell

    4. Loan out

     

    I’d go

    Renew: Baxter, Cogley, Sheehan

    Keep at all costs: Toal, Collins

    Sell: Santos, Morley

    Loan out: Forrester, Nlundulu

     

    Undecided on the rest.

    I agree with that but I'd be thinking of Forrester for "renew" pending how he does in the first half of next season.

  15. Just to be clear my original post was not trying to say I'm glad we didn't go up. Nor was it really about trying to identify silver linings. It was more about putting a historical BWFC context around these things and pointing out that in the longer run sometimes these disasters  end up sending us via a path that leads us to good things in the end. 

    I wish we'd gone up on Saturday like everybody else and if we'd struggled next year I'd have snatched your hand off for 4th bottom in the knowledge that this time when finishing there we'd be with a safe board and not Mr Anderson.

    The one parallel from history I didn't draw was with the last time we had an ex central defender of a manager who loved pretty football. He had one fabulous season and then two that were affected by bad luck and us often being bullied. Colin Todd's sacking led to the arrival of one Mr S Allardyce, the rest was history. 

     

  16. 1 minute ago, DazBob said:

    Maybe both the manager and the owners are taking stock and are letting the emotion die down before making any statement on what is going to happen.

    Which is the right thing to do.

    Yep. Not of note that nowt has been said yet but each day that passes without word from tomorrow onward makes things a little more interesting.

  17. Well we are pretty much 48 hours on now and with chatter among the fans absolutely rife there's been nothing to quell it by way of the old fashioned board of directors "vote of confidence". That's probably not of note just yet but if there's been nowt over the next 24 hours it'll start to become interesting. 

  18. I know the following was 2,000 down on Plymouth last year but 32,000 was a brilliant effort. It's such a shame the players let that following down. I hope it doesn't have a long term impact on our upward trajectory with gates.

    Taking the long view, the last time we had a tier 3 play off final was in 1991 v Tranmere. We took 20,000 to that one. That's a big expansion in fanbase. In fact I'm pretty sure we've never taken a bigger following to a play off final (Tranmere, Watford, Reading, Preston).

  19. 1 minute ago, Leyther_Matt said:

    He’s a goner then. Don’t think he’s the finished article yet, but have had visions for a while of him ending up being one of those random £20m players in a couple of years. 

    He's been a good un but I don't think this is a bad thing. None of the other midfielders are out of contract. This leaves the slot in the squad for the midfield bastard we are crying out for. Someone with physicality and leadership. 

  20. Parallels with the early 1990s. After the Tranmere defeat at Wembley in May 91 we didn't pot Neal and 91/2 was a lame mid-table season. That's the horrible scenario in the back of my mind for  next season. I think Evatt will stay. Unless he addresses the lack of nous and leadership on the pitch and adds some pragmatism and physique I fear a 91/2 scenario.

    More distant parallels? The late 70s, an age before the play offs. But we needed two near misses for promotion under Ian Greaves before clinching it in style in 77/8. The difference was the addition of experience in the shape of Frank Worthington and Alan Gowling. 

  21. Prem games later today. It strikes me we are becoming the Tottenham of League 1. Never quite fulfill potential, bit of a soft centre, regularly bottle big games and derby matches. 

  22. I don't know what the contract situations are but I think we need to move on from Gethin Jones and potentially even Santos. 

    Our midfield is too often passive. I wouldn't try for Maghoma. I have big doubts and Sheehan and Thomason and Dempsey never seems fully fit. 

    Collins has looked a good signing. But up front we need to free JDB and sell Victor. Big Dan doesn't look good enough either.

    It all needs a very big freshen up now. The mentality on display yesterday has to be tackled at root.

    As a sidenote - if we can get full seasons out of Johnston and Mendes-Gomes that's going to help.

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