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paulhanley

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  1. I'm less enthusiastic than you but he could hardly be categorised as a failure either. Point is, his contract is coming to its end and his family is all based in the south of England. I could see him leaving for a southern team for ?1m-?2m
  2. Given the expected departures (Cahill, Elmander, Samuel, Taylor, Gardner, Cohen, Al-Habsi - and Sturridge returning to Chelsea) I think we'll need: 1 new central defender 2 new central midfielders (we're threadbare in this position) 1 new left sided midfielder 2 new strikers Apart from Cahill we should get money for Taylor and Al-Habsi. Hopefully we'll have ?20m to spend.
  3. The events of 1958 are often put forward as the reason for the depth of hatred in Bolton towards United. I'm sure they are partially responsible. However, those Wanderers supporting members of my family who can remember pre-58 say there had been a pretty nasty rivalry building up for some years. These were long before the days of segregation - home and away fans mixed on the terraces. United fans were apparently noted for being the only ones who refused to get involved in good-hearted banter and talked across fans of other teams as if somehow they were inferior. Even then United's 'supporters' were full of their own conceit and watched only one team. One other obvious historic reason for Bolton fans to have a particular dislike of United is simple geography. United's locally based support has always had its heartland around Salford. There was a survey recently that found the greatest concentration of North West based United support in the Worsley area (places like Eccles and Irlam also have particularly strong infestations). Our catchment area and these areas cross .... the City strongholds don't really. Its not just City fans who have to live close-up to the the most arrogant football fans in the world - we have to put up with them as well. Hardly a surprise therefore that they are our main rivals. I'd never realised that the bus incident happened in Walkden - always thought Wogdin was the epicentre of Bolton/United rivalry!
  4. Neil Whatmore was absolutely brilliant for us. The absolute epitome of the Ian Greaves era. I've got a DVD of a match Bolton played at West Ham in 1980/81 season after Greaves had been sacked and Bolton relegated back to Division 2. West Ham murdered us really - though the final score was only 2-1. Neil's performance shines out in that footage - total effort and dedication to the cause. He had a goal disallowed just before half-time and had a look of sheer disappointment and frustration all over his face - the kind any fan would have. Can't speak highly enough of Neil Whatmore.
  5. I know we've not been to Bloomfield Road for 18 years but this fixture has deep roots and I have as much antipathy towards Blackpool as ever I did. I hope we are in a position to send them down to the Championship. Can't wait for this one.
  6. JLloyd, Cohen, O'Brien and Sean Davis will all go as well. I agree with all of those named above (except maybe Steinsson). I would add that Matt Taylor is not a Coyle player at all - no pace, not very skilfull, too one-footed.
  7. Apart from the fact that 10 of the previous 36 seasons mentioned happened to be in that decade and contained serial throat-slitting moments that help me remember things could be so much worse.
  8. But we are 8th in the Premier League, about to embark on our 11th straight season in the top flight after having had 4 in the previous 36 seasons. I'm sorry, yesterday was shocking - but it was not the end of the f*cking world!!
  9. It would at least make partial amends for me if they win at Blackburn and Blackpool and send the bastards down.
  10. The club will still be there on Sunday and the week after and the week after that. Of course it was sh*te and unacceptable and of course we get let down - but dwelling on it for too long will do more harm than good - players, manager, staff, fans - everyone. It is not utter wank to compare it to the 80s - or even to losing 0-6 at home to the Munich filth. Adding perspective is just my way of dealing with acute disappointment. If you don't like it, feel free to carry on wailing and gnashing teeth.
  11. All true. But supporting Bolton is obviously in your blood otherwise you wouldn't be so angry. In the context of the history of the club, these remain very good times. I'm merely saying lets not get the doom to deep. I felt bad yesterday and still do - but I've felt a whole lot worse on occasions in the past.
  12. I'm proudly wearing my Bolton Wanderers shirt. FA Cup Semi Final defeat? Nowt!! Not if you followed the whites through the wilderness Division 3 and 4 days of the 1980s! Chartlton away (1983) Scarborough away (1987), Darlington (home, Bonfire Night 1985) - now they really were the ultimate lows! Come on you Whites!
  13. Bolton News reckons its 'more than 28,000'as opposed to the 'close to 27,000' described on the official website. http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/8976149.Wembley_prepares_for_the_Whites/
  14. Just posted this on another FA Cup thread but its relevant to this one as well.... The club certainly needs to work hard on sustaining the support base. As people have said, we're encircled by fellow Premier League clubs and we're very unlucky that two sides who would otherwise be lower league fodder (Blackburn/Wigan) found mega-rich owners. The club can't take support for granted within Bolton's traditional geographical support base as used to be possible before 80s. (traditional support base including far more than Bolton - Westhoughton, Atherton, Tyldesley, Leigh, Walkden, Chorley, Wigan etc etc)
  15. But we have averaged more than 26,000 during two seasons in this decade and more than 25,000 in several others. Had the stadium capacity been 30,000 or more I suspect our average would have been higher in some of those seasons (I have 03/4 and 04/5 in mind in particular). There have been several games with capacity crowds of around 27,300 and with a bigger stadium those gates could easily have been larger. The club certainly needs to work hard on sustaining the support base. As people have said, we're encircled by fellow Premier League clubs and we're very unlucky that two sides who would otherwise be lower league fodder (Blackburn/Wigan) found mega-rich owners. The club can't take support for granted within Bolton's traditional geographical support base as used to be possible before 80s. (traditional support base including far more than Bolton - Westhoughton, Atherton, Tyldesley, Leigh, Walkden, Chorley, Wigan etc etc)
  16. I very much doubt there have ever been or ever will be 27,000 Wigan Athletic fans in any one stadium to watch Wigan Athletic. A 27,000 following to Wembley for Bolton is disappointing. To Wigan it would be stratospheric.
  17. I think the point you make is central to our crowd-pulling issues. I also believe that the 1980s being a lost generation on the pitch led to a lost generation of fans off it, and we still feel the effects of that. By which I mean loads of lads my age (late 30s) supported Liverpool or the Rags back in 80s and still do.
  18. Its also about 10,000 more than Blackburn took to their semi in Cardiff in 2005.
  19. Official website says we are taking 'close to 27,000' to Wembley on Sunday. Full respect to all 27,000 of them - it should probably be more, and we'll be outnumbered, but if we win, we won't care!
  20. ITV have some footage of the goal that night. Its from an odd camera angle (from the running track at the edge of the pitch!) but you can clearly see the celebrations in the home end behind the goal! Not sure if there's any footage of the rest of the night. ITV certainly covered the following match at home against Fulham when we clinched the Division 2 title in front of 34,000 at Burnden.
  21. This is a pretty good account of that night. I'd settle for 0-1 again towards the end of April! Just hope the fact we have a midweek fixture previously and they don't doesn't affect things. http://www.football-england.com/blackburn_rovers_0_bolton_wanderers_1_april_1978.html
  22. There was 27,500 on at Ewood that night with somewhere between 15,000 to 20,000 from Bolton. Hard to judge exactly because, as you say, Bolton fans were mingled in with Blackburn all over the ground. Can't stand Blackburn, hope they go down. Couldn't give a monkeys about them being a 'North-West' team.
  23. I've been thinking the same. If Gardner is back at Bolton, I suspect he could also play a very useful role from the bench. First things first though, lets get something out of West Ham at home.
  24. These are roughly the amounts we've taken to big matches at Wembley or Cardiff since the lower division days Coca Cola Cup Final v Liverpool = 32,000 Play off final v Reading = 27,500 Play off final v Watford = 32,000 FA Cup Semi Final v Villa = 24,000 Play off final v Preston NE = 22,000 Carling Cup Final v Middlesbrough = 32,000 My prediction is that we'll get close to selling out but not quite do so - probably around 29,000/30,000.
  25. Are Villa due a proportion of the fee if/when Cahill goes?
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