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I'm thinking of the Bristol City game which was the last game of the season and they had got promoted, they were everywhere, loads of fighting on the forecourt, we were involved [obviously] and a bloke on the roof of the ticket office shouted at us to fuck off as it was all being filmed, top man
Yeah, that was 89/90 - remember that day very well. We won 1-0, Scott Green's first goal for Bolton.
Back to the late 70s, I remember the second game against Bristol City in the two First Division seasons. No bother - but pretty incredible scenes. It was in around December, we'd only won one game and we were rock bottom. We were losing 0-1 and there'd been a drab atmosphere ... but for some reason the whole ground got in the mood in the Second Half. It was suddenly back to the promotion chasing days and Burnden was absolutely rocking. Penalty claim after penaly claim was turned down and then right in the very last minute we equalised and the whole place just exploded with joy.
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No, we had trouble with virtually everybody who came to Burnden, the 2 Bristols were particularly naughty as were most games against Yarksher clubs
I don't think we played Bristol Rovers in Div One did we?
Played Bristol City in the very first game but can't remember many Bristol City fans actually being there. Remember them coming back from 1-0 down (Gowling screamer) to win 2-1 though.
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Do I remember wrongly or with the rather large exception of the two home games against Leeds and the second home match against Munich,were our two first division seasons in the late 70s comparitively trouble free at Burnden?
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That Chelsea game was the March of 76/7. Didn't a similar set of circumstances arise on the very last day of that season at home to Wolves, in a game we needed to draw to get promoted but lost 0-1?
I seem to recall pitch invasions from both Lever End and Embankment?
My memories of 76/7 are very fuzzy but by 77/8 (I was then aged 7) my Dad had decided we were going in the Manny Road Stand (the aforementioned riots might have had something to do with it!). I remember 77/8 very clearly - and of course by the start of that year there were fences up on the perimter of both Lever End and Manny Road. I think it was also the last season of terracing before those 'orrible green seats appeared on the Lever End.
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There are three from that relegation side of 82/3 who are now no longer with us.
Doyle, Ian Moores and Ray Deakin.
You're right Casino, he wasn't much good for us (neither were the other two, lets face it) though Doyle had been a good player for City before he came to Burnden. It was the kind of signing we made at the time (Steve Whitworth another classic example) - too old, past their best.
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The 3-0 win at Burnden was never in doubt we played them of the park and was revenge for that dark day when they swamped Burnden a few years earlier, this time United had the big half of the Embankment very soon after half time it was half empty as the red scum knew there was no way back, the away game I travelled with 4 very well known brothers fom LH 3 of whom later became top names in Man U hooligan circles and who continued in the same vein until very recently, the other brother married my sister and is still a decent lad, any how we all went into the scoreboard end, the 4 Man U lads kept reasonably quiet as there was plenty of Bolton there that night, quite a few LH Reds were in the Scoreboard and I think they got turfed out into the Scoreboard Paddock before they got a beating, all the same they were game trying it on. When Frankie scored the winner I was bubbling inside but being a little fearful of a slap from the brothers I kept quiet, what a night that was, unfortunately the next season they got revenge and our following at OT was very small, I would say no more that 4-500 penned into the centre section of the Scorebaoard, we never troubled them that day and was a day I like to forget.
Now you mention it I do recall them being given the bit of the Embankment next to the Manny Road as opposed to the usual arrangement of away fans being in the third of the terrace next to the Paddock. (probably the first time that had happened, it was reasonably regular in years to follow, especially in the Second Division between 80-83 and usually when Blackburn visited).
As I said earlier, I remember them taking over the Manny Road North in Spring 1980 (our second in the top flight). Can't remember if they had the whole of the Embankment as well.
I remember Neil Whatmore's goal that day very well - don't remember any of theirs.
Classic tale from the 3-0 on Dec 22 1979 that I can recall is one of their fans appearing at the back of the Manny Road North stand, spouting loudly about how Gordon McQueen was the best centre half in the world (always has to be the best in the world with them, all part of the sheer conceit). 35 mins later and Frank had made a mug of McQueen on several occasions and the Rag had skulked off in to another part of the stand.
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Liver failure; best way for an old pro, I expect
He was at the end of his career when he came to us and was in the team that was relegated to Div 3 in 82/3. Nonetheless a real pro, hard-bitten defender of the 70s.
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Great memories of the Friday night one (besides Gowlings brace).
Worked at the bottom end of Lever Street at the time and used to leg it into town at lunchtime. Been to Ye Olde Pastie Shoppe and was walking along Deansgate on way towards Newport Street.
Got to the Three Crowns and became aware of some commotion near Marks & Sparks. As I got nearer, one of a pair of well know BWFC following brothers from Tonge Fold is in the middle of the pelican crossing with a DMB in a headlock punching the shiyte out of him. Steel toe capped boot on anothers throat and two rolling around on the floor. Traffic stopped but most shoppers going about their business with a 'tut' as though this was a regular if inconvenient occurrence
As far as the game was concerned, seemed like a very low number of followers for them and they were pretty subdued. That seasons double over the filthy b?stards remains one of my all time favourite BWFC memories. Especially the away match!
I wasn't at the away match as such a youngster but I remember the sense of dread when the bloke on the radio said there'd been a late goal at Old Trafford .... but then they went over to the ground and there was a wonderful three second pause before the reporter spoke, and all you could hear was the distant chants of the Wanderers fans. Magic moment.
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This article appeared in today's London Evening Standard.
Cahill's departure appears to be more imminent than we believed - to Arsenal.
No idea how trustworthy the Evening Standard is on such matters!
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I was 11 when Man u came to Burnden I usually stood in the Lever end and would go to the match with a Farnworth lad who happened to live near me in L/H and had already seen quite a few away fans try to take the Lever and with little success, any how that day I think may parents were worried as Utd had a terrible reputation and decided that my cousins Boyfriend should take me he was in his 20s and a red, we had tickets in the Burnden seats, the one and only time I ever sat in there, the ground seemed to be full of Man U fans except for a few brave Bolton lads on the Lever end trying to defend there territory, my heart sunk as United fans began to get the upper hand, from that day on I have hated the red scum it burnt into my soulthe pain of being surrounded and humiliated by them, even today looking back 35 years later I rememeber how I felt that day it still hurts and I wish I could of been of use and old enough that day to have stood on the Lever end.
Regarding Oldham I went to all the games from the mid 70s and I dont remember them getting the upper hand, that article about the Bolton support and the passion our fans showed and the numbers who turned out sent a shiver down the back off my neck, for the younger lads today nothing can compare with the burning passion Bolton fans used to show in the 70s it was truly awe inspiring support, the Lever End was unbeliveable,I am thankful that I experienced that passion it still fuels my support to this day.
While I don't recall United at home in 74/5, I do recall 78/9 and 79/80 albeit fuzzily. The first of those was a Friday night game and I just remember the goals and the celebrations in the 3-0 win. I remember the second one better (we lost 1-3 after Neil Whatmore scored first). The rags fans took over the Manny Road North Terrace and I remember bits of pitch invasions from the Embankment before the start of the game. How did those two days play out? Any memories?
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It was normal for both sets of fans to be separated by just a line of Police down the steps of the terracing. The gap was probably about 2ft between the opposing fans with a Bobby every 2ft or so. It seems amazing now how both sets of fans respected the 'no mans land' inbetween.
To be fair (with the addition of a bit of sheeting laid over the seats) its not much different these days. The main change is that today's 'hooligans' are more interested in posturing and hiding behind the police than actual fighting.
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Not sure they were in the same year but I remember the OB making Bolton remove their boots and leave them lined up across the back of the Chadderton End. This incident was preceded by a half naked biker cutting a swathe through the Bolton hordes brandishing a sabre. He got clothes lined on his third pass - out cold.
On another occasion in winter, same thing happened again in the Chaddy and Man Citys mob turned up too due to their game being called off. They were sent packing as well.
We had some serious travelling support back then.
The blokes who wrote the Burnley and Preston hooligan memoirs both concede Bolton were top dogs as well, though most of their stuff is based on clashes in the 80s. We barely played either of them in the 70s, Burnley maybe a couple of times (certainly in the year we got promoted). The Burnley book repeats the Oldham claim that in the end they got the better of Bolton.
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Or far, far better, Paul. Depends on your point of view
69-70-71, I'd be buzzing about the next match from Monday. Excitement growing all week. Docs soaking in Ox Blood; making sure the collar on the Ben Sherman was ironed to a razor edge; up to Cains for a number one and shaved parting; half inch turnups on the 501's pressed to perfection. Leg it into town looking immaculate in either a Harrington or sheepskin and then f?ck it all up with a ruck the first chance you got
As Zulu and a few others on here can testify, those 3 years in particular just had to be the maddest. Some very vivid memories. My next door neighbour from Tintern Avenue running alongside two St. Johns carrying a stretcher with a stabbed Leicester fan on it. Neighbour belting the wounded with a half housebrick at about every third step. Derby gypos having a go in the Lever End and the OB fighting alongside us! Bike chain and studded belt wielding B?stard Rovers rockers and Bolton Boot Boys colliding outside the club main doors on the car park - carnage. Too many to list. Fun and games every weekend - home or away.
I often wonder how I came out of all that with nothing more than minor stab wounds in the shoulder and top lip and a scar on me forehead from a glassing. Never even a broken bone. Miraculous.
Wouldn't have missed it all for the world.
Had I been more than a toddler in 70/71 and had I not been a lifelong coward I'm sure I'd have been involved!
I read an Oldham fan's book (Carl Spiers) about their doings over the years. He was very clear that Bolton were top dogs outside of the Big 4 from Manchester and Merseyside and was pretty graphic about some of Bolton's visits to Boundary Park. Reckoned by the 80s they'd turned the tables.
This about the first game of 71/2 season, Oldham 2 Bolton 2.
"We ran down to Boundary Park all excited and paid in to the Chaddy End and what I saw would never leave my memory. The Chaddy End was full of Bolton fans, thousands all across, singing, roaring etc. They took the Chaddy good style. I had never seen such support. I remember it was a red hot day and any resistance from Oldham got destroyed, including the Glodwick Mob hammered and chased out of the Chaddy. I can still recall the awesome sight of thousands of Bolton fans punching the air in unison chanting "We are the Wanderers". It was a fantastic sight, there were so many and they had so much passion for their club, even to this day there are certain lads in Oldham who visually shake at the mention and the way they rampaged through Oldham kicking a lot of people to fuck. It gives me immense pleasure that by the late 70s things would turn around so much that we would be going to Bolton and having a go. But between 1971 and 75 they were top dogs for sure, very hard, big numbers and showed no mercy."
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I only really started watching Bolton in 77 as a very young lad.
So early memories of life for me included:
* Being knocked to the ground in the Lever End in the middle of an enormous battle between Bolton and Chelsea in 77.
* Observing the brick throwing and rioting mentioned above in the Leeds match (78)when Bolton came from 0-1 down at half time to win 3-1.
Most of my terrace wars memories are from the 80s - but I have the clear impression that the 70s were far, far worse.
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For me its their fans. The absolute dregs of humanity. The arseholes quotient in every town in England supports this football team and they are pickled in their own conceit and arrogance.
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Only if nowt has happened by this time next month will I be worried.
We need three in by then and another three by August 13 preferably but certainly August 31.
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If you can do copies of this game I would like one, obviously pay for your time and trouble.
Is this the season we were on "Game for a Laugh" ? I contacted Granada a few years back to try to get a copy of the programme with no joy.
Waddy, I've sent you a PM in reply to your question.
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83/4 was a big season for me, too
the opportunity to see neil redfearn was a joy
was the first season when i went home and away
the downside was that i met undies n meldrew and 25 years on i'm still stuck with them
re footage, the away cup game will have been covered by bbc...and merseyside constabulary
You mean Tranmere away? 2-2 draw?
Would like a copy of that if so!
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Any chance of a copy of the Bolton V wigan game? I can give you a copy of the Radio 2 commentary of the League cup semi final at Everton if you wish.
Just sent you a PM re Wigan.
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Does anybody have or know of any footage of BWFC in the 83/4 season? I believe its probably the only season in the last 35 of which no film exists.
For just about every season in the 70s and certainly from about 74 onwards Bolton were regularly on Match of the Day and ITV's The Big Match. To a lesser degree this also applies to the post Ian Greaves 80/81, 81/82 and 82/3 seasons (mainly via occasional Granada TV coverage).
From January 86 onwards (so covering the second half of 85/6 through to the end of 94/5, Roadrunner video and their predecessor Easy Video copied most games with Dave Higson at the microphone). After then obviously there has been blanket coverage.
I have a full 90 min copy of one game from the 84/5 season, Bolton 1 Wigan 0. Its a brilliant watch even though there's only one goal, decent atmosphere, Embankment in all its glory etc. My guess is it is the only bit of footage from that season.
However, 83/4 seems to be a complete blank. Can anybody tell me different?
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And Wolves
Either the question's wrong or someone can't count.
If we've played Cardiff in the top flight it is wrong, sorry.
Teach me for being a smart arse!!
Burnley and Wolves were the other two.
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sorry, the third team we WILL have played in all four divisions. Two currently.
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can you name the other two?
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First & strongest rumour dead in the water then.
Or is it .... ?
The bullshit possibilities are much higher than average on any rumours circulating to do with Newcastle United. Doesn't appear to be good news though.
70's Terrace Wars
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Nope, 2-1 for Bolton in the Cup, 1-0 for Bolton in the league.