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Up there with the biggest disgraces in the club's 147 years and certainly in my time. And by Christ there's been some competition in recent years.
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I've said it all so often before. I've known us go through bad years in derby fixtures, usually because we're just not as good as the teams in the same division. This has now been going on throughout Evatt's time at the club and it is the best indication of all of utter gutlessness.
This is another indelible stain on the club's history - in the same category as the Wigan disgraces. All concerned should hang their heads in shame at their complete failure to represent Bolton Wanderers with any kind of pride or passion. It kills the fans. They have no idea.
It has got to stop. Now.
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13 minutes ago, Cheese said:
Obama was perfect for the time. He's an outstanding orator, and his election came after 2 terms of Bush Jr, a global financial crash, and a decade of boots on the ground in the Middle East.
It's definitely not just about the quality of the person and their track record. They just re-elected Trump.
Aye but Trump was up against Harris. That's what's called Hobson's Choice. As I said - 345 million people and they can't find one decent candidate for an election never mind two.
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24 minutes ago, Cheese said:
I'd put money on Gavin Newsom standing for the Democrats in 4 years. Doubt they'll put up a female or non-white candidate again in any of our lifetimes.
Possibly Newsom but I don't think colour and gender comes in to it. Obama won two terms. Its the quality of the person and (if going for a second term) the track record.
People in the US just didn't feel better off than four years ago. That's always going to spell big trouble for an incumbent.
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The US hasn't come up with a decent election candidate/President for a decade or more. I didn't agree with anything like all of Obama's policies but he was presidential and carried the role with dignity
Regardless of your politics Reagan/Bush x2/B Clinton/Obama were all cut from a different cloth to the present offerings. Yes, even Dubya! I'd rather have had the impeached Richard Nixon then this present generation!
It's a poor do when a nation of 345 million people can't muster two decent candidates to choose from.
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5 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:
Backlash incoming
I was just thinking that.
I guess the fact they are playing and we aren't is a bonus. Usually that's the type of thing that works against us in derby games.
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Always crap to lose and especially to a team in a lower division but long term this is a good thing. Those Luton games in the cup last season hurt us and generally speaking the less games the better given our injury situation.
Hoping the pie-shaggers win at Carlisle as that's an extra game for them before our encounter with them. Glad to see Stockport in extra time given they also have an upcoming midweek game.
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Evatt saying the club is conducting a big review, which is the correct course of action.
A couple of observations. We have a lot of players who turn out for smaller and/or far distant international sides. Northern Ireland seem to have a pretty carefree attitude to players in their care and then you've got CMG, Forino, Jones et al playing for sides on far distant shores. None of that stuff helps with fatigue injuries.
The other thing is we do have at least something of a track record of signing players with a proven injury record - Forino and Tutu and the classic examples.
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On 31/10/2024 at 06:29, Duck Egg said:
Yes, the three I referred to were just the MotD games. Blackpool (H) was another Granada one and I think a 0-0 at Hull?
Aye, sorry I didn't realise you were talking about BBC stuff.
I think Hull away was on. I was actually at that game at Boothferry Park as a kid with my Dad and Uncle.
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On 21/10/2024 at 10:37, Duck Egg said:
We were on 3 times that season. Luton, Spurs and one I'd forgotten about, a 1-1 draw at home to Brighton. Could be that? Only other possibility would be Derby in the first division the following season. A 2-1 win.
I think we were on ITV on the first game of the season at Burnley as well (W0-1). Then of course Fulham at home on the final day.
Our game v Leeds in the League Cup was covered too.
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4 minutes ago, desperado said:
🤣 You do make me laugh
Who hasn’t criticised or acknowledged Evatt’s formulaic subs at times, I know I have.
But yesterday wasn’t one of those days.
Hence watch what’s happening in front of you - Even Evatt did yesterday, so I’m sure you can on occasions 😊
I know it’s hard for some to grasp and admit it, but he deserves some credit yesterday, he got quite a lot right.
Hopefully he's embraced just a bit more flexibility and pragmatism. His selections and formation on Tuesday at St Andrews were a change of direction too.
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Feels like an important moment. Played well but just not clinical enough - as has been the case a few times this season.
Ninth place, a couple of points below the play offs. It's a position to build from. Can we? More consistency and better finishing needed for that.
A lot of away games in November. Might not actually be a bad thing on the basis of evidence thus far in 24/5.
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20 minutes ago, Roger_Dubuis said:
It's surprising but reading this message board it is clear that some Bolton supporters are happy enough for it to be a 3rd Division club.Mounts Kipper posted that it was a good achievement for Evatt merely to reach the 3rd Division play offs.I guess you, like me, have higher expectations for the club and would sack a manager who loses 3rd Division play offs.Not everybody shares that view though
Yep.
But you support United.
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3 minutes ago, Cheese said:
No shit. Currently we're a top end League 1 club, with top end League 1 players.
About time we started showing it consistently then.
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2 hours ago, Cheese said:
League 1 footballers innit.
If you want to get out of league 1 you need to be far better than those standard league 1 traits. We want to get out of league 1.
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Totally unprofessional. What was needed today was a really solid 2-0 win, no drama, goal in each half, Shrewsbury not given a sniff. What we got was more casual arrogance. Strolling out as if the win was in the bag.
There has been endemic defensive incompetence this season. We are four games unbeaten but in three of them the frailties have been clear to see - Crawley being the exception.
It's great having the firepower we've got. But you get nowhere if you leak goals at the rate we are.
These levels of inconsistency are the stuff of League 1 standard footballers. If you want to play at a higher level the basic minimum is concentration and the right attitude over 90 minutes plus. This lot don't deliver that. It's why we didn't go up last year and we're seeing it all over again.
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Anybody know what's up with Forino and how long him and Gethin will be out?
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Famous folk are vulnerable. They have lots of privileges but there's a downside. They attract the nutters. Always been the case sadly. The first and most extreme example I remember of that as a child was John Lennon.
Twitter/social media has opened the portal to all kinds of grim elements to our society. An evil virtual cesspit with few redeeming features. The best it could be described as is being populated by a good few folk who have no common sense or humility.
Many of us have asked some questions about Santos's football of late. We've asked questions of a good few at BWFC, its what football fans do and there's nowt wrong with that. But the football is as far as scrutiny should ever go and even then it should be kept civil.
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They've been poor all season really. Decimated by international call ups of various sorts but even so it feels Lancs have been blooding too many youngsters all in one go in a pressure situation.
No doubt they'll be back in Div 1 before long but the constrast between how we go about our business and Surrey theirs is pretty stark.
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1 hour ago, HR said:
Ballsy move from Evatt to change tactics and try and win the game without much of the ball.
This is the type of pragmatism we've often sadly lacked. I hope it's a sign of things to come.
Sometimes there's not a huge amount of adaptation required to factor in the nature of the opposition. Other times you need quite a few one-off tactical moves.
Big Sam was the master of this. One of the first times I noticed that was when he put Robbie Elliott and Paul Warhurst together in central midfield against Villa in the FA Cup Semi Final. The Prem side simply couldn't dominate the middle of the park against the Championship club. Allardyce interview bingo always included the word "nullify".
I hope Evatt can add this very significant string to his bow.
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There's some of the lost credit been won back today there, no doubt about it, more so than last week. A clean sheet, resilience and a willingness to scrap against a pretty physical opponent, playing against 12 men (!) and a very quick turnaround from the Arsenal match on Wednesday.
There are still big questions to answer for the club and team, chiefly performances against top end sides in the division and derbies. However that's for another day. Given the misery of recent weeks its probably the moment to wallow in a good result before moving on to Northampton and hoping for similar.
I was among the many who had become exceptionally fed up with Evatt. I still am to a large degree. But fair play he's bought himself a bit of time. We need to keep it going now though, no real latitude for dropped points.
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8 hours ago, Cheese said:
No they're not.
Oh yes they are.
Oh no they're not
Pantomime season starts in a couple of months. You should sign yourself up. You've got it down to a tee.
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I reckon if Big Sam was boss there's a fair chance he'd try Santos in holding midfield - like he did with Campo, Faye and Hierro.
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12 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:
I remember the Plymouth game, if I'm not mistaken it was pissing it down and there were less than 4k on, but it was a cracking game. Oghani scored a couple I think but can't remember the others, but like yesterday 4-1 at H-T IIRC. Wierd season that, some great wins, scored 69 goals (4 less than Millwall who finished 2nd) but finished 17th on 54 points.
One of the players from that team that rarely gets a mention, Brian Borrows, was absolute class at right back, best right back I've ever seen for us outside of Prem years and better than many in that era. Played 400 games for Coventry after us, John McGovern signed him for about £10k from Everton.
Borrows was a quality player. McGovern signing him for £10K was daylight robbery. I remember we sold him to Coventry for £80K in the summer of 85 and Chandler left too. We were all excited because we'd made five new signings, all experiences pros who'd played at much higher levels - Sutton, Cross, Scott, Hartford, Allardyce). But we missed Borrows and Chandler badly.
Didn't Oghani, Caldwell and Chandler all get 20 goals in 84/5?
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Imagine our forebears seeing in to the future and reading scorelines like today's coming to pass. They'd think it was a sick joke. This is what has been served up in recent years.
Bolton 0 Wigan 4; Bolton 0 Wigan 4; Bolton 0 Accrington 1, Stockport 5 Bolton 3; Stockport 5 Bolton 0; Blackpool 4 Bolton 1.
... to which from the very slightly more distant past you can add: Bolton 1 Rochdale 3, Accrington 7 Bolton 1; Wigan 5 Bolton 2.
We get saccharine words about understanding what derbies mean to fans and how we need to rectify our poor record in them. Actions speak louder than words. They are a million miles away from understanding.
Just had my Dad on the phone, 81 years old and seen a lot more than me: "Today has to be as poor a result as there's been in the club's whole history".
We can't go on like this. "It's only one game" some will say - but the results in these games sum up eloquently what is wrong at the club and why we can't get out of League 1. No guts, no willingness to scrap and battle, no nous.
Blackpool at home next....