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Neither side have a midweek game before this after the League Cup results. Upside of being knocked out last neet.
Maybe this is finally the time we record a win there for the first time since December 77.
I say that every time we go there though.
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10 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:
De Freitas was born in Suriname as remember having to look up where it was
May have grown up in Holland though
He did I think. Loads of Surinamese in Holland.
He broke our transfer record when we signed him for £400,000. It had stood for 15 years since we signed Len Cantello from WBA for £350,000 in 1979, which turned out not to the finest moment for Ian Greaves.
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5 minutes ago, gonzo said:
Same thing innit
How many Belgians then? That winger on loan from Stoke under Keith Hill. Name began with V. Dedryk Boyata. De Ridder. Not able to think of any others.
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6 minutes ago, Cheese said:
Mustapha.
Aye Mustapha Riga. Was there another one too?
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8 hours ago, burnden said:
This is not a quiz question because I am not sure I know the answer: How many Dutch players have we had on our books in our history now? Richard Sneekes, Fabian De-Freitas (or did he count as Surinamese?), Riga (played for Holland at all the different youth levels but born in Ghana). I am struggling a bit now. Any others?
.. Oh, Yanic Wildschut!
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8 hours ago, Eddie said:
A very fair point, and actually based on last season you can’t make much of an argument to say that it is good enough.
For me though, there’s enough that we’ve seen prior to last season to suggest that there’s a decent enough partnership or two in there when playing in a settled back 4 with midfield in front of them that actually functions.
Plus I don’t think you can add any more without seeing at least one or two go, and other than a bit of noise about Johnston, I can’t see who that would be.
Well there was a bit of noise about Forrester to Stockport back in July. Both him and Johnston have only one year left on their contracts.
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1 minute ago, Eddie said:
No transfer decisions (in) are being made off the back of 1st round league cup game in which we had 10 men for an hour.
There might be a few out that it confirmed for SS, but I’d imagine they were already his plans before last night, just that nobody convinced him otherwise.
I don’t see the desire for centre backs. We’ve got 5 (incl. Taylor seeing as Conway is proving more than capable at left back), we don’t need anymore.
Right back and centre forward for me, with a few out permanently and on loan.
I'm not sure it's a question of numbers where people are concerned in terms of central defence (although I do worry about the "double counting" people do with Richard Taylor. He can play at left back but if we get injuries he can't do both that and centre back at the same time!!) I think it's more people have concerns about overall quality. Is that central defensive unit collectively good enough to be commanding and grind out the consistent clean sheets we need? You need better than just decent League One standard to be at the top.
Pretty much all of them have a chequered history on the injury front as well.
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1 minute ago, burnden said:
Leeds at home next round if we get through
Main thing that guarantees is a decent pay-day because as the old saying goes "Leeds will take thousands there".
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No Toal or Johnston. Hopefully just being rested up.
That's a weakened side but got some decent quality in there and very interesting to see Inwood and Warren.
Great that we can produce a side like this with huge changes from Saturday and we have Dalby, Cissoko, Forrester, Dempsey and Taylor to add to the mix.
Schon nowhere to be seen. Maybe something more imminent than 72 hours ago when SS spoke about him.
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Cissoko's memorable game for Argyle v Luton last season. You'd never want to judge off a You Tube clip but his pedigree is decent and seems better than League One. We've got a real battery of wingers now. I am hoping we're never going to suffer even if we get an injury or two out wide and that we can make teams suffer in the latter stages of games by bringing these threats on against tiring legs.
.... a few weeks ago SS was talking about a new left back. Conway's performances have probably stopped him having to think along those lines, opening up the allocation of resource in a different way. This.
COYWM
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If we do beat Wednesday tomorrow night we could do with the seaside shit beating Port Vale tonight. We can do without them having a free midweek leading up to our fixture with them at the end of the month, especially if we ourselves don't have one.
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7 hours ago, Eddie said:
One of the many (but possibly the best) examples of how much we’ve changed over summer. Sat there absolutely buzzing that the robust and dynamic whites seem to be exactly that.
Random things that put a massive smile on my face, in no particular order:
- TSL falling to the ground when catching a ball / hanging on the cross bar when they put one miles over. He’s got massive confidence - yet to see him save a shot but it did just remind me of Trafford.
- TSL playing 3 of the best passes I’ve seen us play in years. 1st half, left foot (which I think is his wrong foot) out to ACD; 2nd half (best of them all), ball coming across his body and he zinged one again to ACD on the right touch line, right into his stride; 3rd to set up the 2nd goal.
- Simons smashing players, not wanting to show injury, and his shaved head. There was a moment in the first half where we got a free kick near the half way line, their player held the ball whilst he walked backwards, Sheehan stood with his arms out as if to plead for the naughty man to give it back to us, Simons just comes steaming in behind him to demand it and the lad threw it to him straight away.
- Burstow winning headers and us having lads around him. Also just general hold up play - 1st half he had one launched up to him near the West Stand defenders all over him, he took it down, held 2 off, waited for ACD to get round him and played it to him. Seems simple but we’ve not been able to do that for years.
- 2 fast wingers and our willingness to just play a high early ball over their full backs and watch them shit themselves. Pace in the team seems like such a luxury (Randall is also deceptively quick!)
- A few occasions where a big block, or a big tackle on their winger which resulted in a goal kick was celebrated by a few of them almost like a goal.
- Toal. Just looks confident, on the ball and defensively. Might be the captaincy, might be the new set up with an actual midfield in front of him (and it’s only 1 game) but he seemed like his old self.
- Corners - we actual look slightly imposing in the box finally.
- We don’t run off the pitch at half time to prove how fit we are, instead we’re still chasing down in the 90th minute.
Obviously always glass half full after a win, but there are just so many little signs that we’re a different beast this year and it’ll be exciting to watch!
Agreed. Re Toal - it's what happens when defenders are told their priority is defending and things are simplified right down for them.
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I think for now we just need to settle for the fact that we've blooded a player from the academy and he's taken to first team football as if to the manor born. It's a milestone moment for us as a club. Let's revisit his value and saleability at the end of this season.
It is also a mark of what a good year on loan can do for a young pro. I hope one or two others get the same opportunity before the deadline on 1 September. Inwood is a prime example.
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For some reason I am savouring this win more than normal. Not sure why. Maybe because it was our first win for a good long time given the run of poor results at the end of last year. Maybe because it felt like an affirmation of the new regime, the new system and a good few of the new signings. Maybe its a deepening of the feeling that we are in the right hands with SS. Maybe its recognition that wins under Evatt going back to this time last year came attached with little pleasure because I/we were turning against the guy and his regime.
Whatever it is I'm glad. Having seen the newbies on yesterday I am looking forward to seeing Dalby, Taylor, Warren Erhahon and another new signing or two.
Brilliant to see pace and a bit of power in a Bolton side and a manager making straightforward decisions that don't lead to a collective raising of the eyebrows of experienced football watchers.
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7 minutes ago, Cheese said:
I know, I was just providing a source a bit more credible than 'some bloke on twitter', which is what you asked for.
Well hopefully the BN is a bit more in the know than the source that we've all seen because I don't think Schon really fits the SS template.
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Just now, Cheese said:
Nowt in there to given much credence that something is imminent, unless I am missing something.
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Other than some bloke on Twitter/X is there any actual evidence Schon is signing for the Swedish club?
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Fuck the Blackpool
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Will avoid the analysis for now. After a long winless run at the end of 24/5 and last weekend it feels brilliant to get a good solid home win on the board. Really important also in the context of being dealt what looked like a tough first three games of the season.
Enjoy the evening everyone. A long season ahead ... but a different era now and prospects ahead.
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Blackpool have just spent £1m on a player on the strength of having scored 11 goals in 43 games for the pie-men last season? If so I am not surprised Forest snapped their hands off.
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3 minutes ago, Kane57 said:
Since when is Stockport a derby
Only 22 miles apart. Most parts of the country that falls easily in to the bandwidth of what would be considered a derby.
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After having had 24 hours to think about it (necessary because like most of you I despise losing derbies, especially in scenarios like this where smaller opposition have the sign over us):
- I trust SS. He's clearly far, far more pragmatic than IE and has more steel about him. It'll be another 12 months/two transfer windows before I even think about calling the guy in to question given the mess he inherited. Ten new signings - but the overhaul remains a work in progress
- SS has devoted most of his time to sorting out our midfield and attack and introducing width. He's brought in just one the one new defender in (Taylor) while giving Conway a deserved chance. There's only so much you can sort in one go. I do wonder if over time his attention will turn to our back line. He can try to organise them and change their mentality but will it be enough?
- We have been dealt a tough start in our first three games. Despite defeat on Saturday I'd not be overly peturbed with two draws in these next two provided we kick on from there. Defeat on Saturday and a record of 0-0-2 would smart a bit though.
- Would the result have been different with Dalby and Taylor fit? What with them two, Forrester, Dempsey, Warren etc - our luck with injuries just does not improve. For us to get out of this league that has to change.
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4 minutes ago, waffer cup 07 said:
Everything i saw today just confirms why we need to get out of this shit league. Referring is shocking. Playing at little grounds with poor facilites. Uncovered terracing. There's better grounds in non league football. Poorly supported teams that can't even sell out their home end for their 1st game of the season. Were a big fish in a small pond. Just hope SS can find a way this season.
And constantly vulnerable to them beating us in their poxy cup final. They're building up quite the portfolio of wins now. All to dine out on for decades to come whenever we encounter one of their fans.
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Just now, kent_white said:
We'll see I suppose. But I do tend to be on the optimistic side.
Saw more than enough today to think we will smash teams when we click.
Remember - we hit the post twice - should have had a penalty and they should have had a man sent off. We also created another 3 or 4 very decent chances.
Stockport did very little bar the two goals that were their only shots on target.
Another day and we win that game 2/3 nil.
Strangely enough none of that makes it feel any better right now.
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He was not a massive success but he did get a few more goals. One soon after promotion at home to Blackburn sticks in the mind. We beat them 2-1 in the pissing rain at Burnden. They were champions, we were newly promoted. Sent the dingles back home sulking.