Farrelli

I struggle with your logic. Putin wants to fragment the western allies and with Trumps help he is succeeding. There is not much more to say.

Europe do not have that kind of power and are intrinsically linked to America via NATO. US are a superpower. As I mentioned earlier, our nuclear deterrent is only useful with American support so in actual fact is not really a deterrent. Putin knows this. It is not in our interest and would be totally irresponsible to abandon the US.

Trump changing sides whilst undermining NATO allies and throwing Ukraine under a bus. The fact you didn’t mention any of that is the part I find amazing.

That is a truly amazing take on the situation.

By Jove I think he’s got it!

Things aren’t always black and white as you seem to want them to be. Calm heads are required which is thankfully what we mostly have in Europe.

Of course not. America are a superpower and remain our allies. What Europe are trying to do is keep the US onside whilst supporting Ukraine as best possible. A very difficult proposition when the president is a loose cannon apparently siding with Russia.

See my post above. The way this is being handled is grossly irresponsible for world peace and security.

Of course but to pull the plug overnight is a very dangerous and irresponsible act.

See Gonzo post. US have been the leaders of the west and NATO. They have a responsibility on safety and security which we have duly supported along with other allies.

Correct.

Not what I said. US intelligence and starlink are what Ukraine have been predominantly using. It is hard to change that overnight. We have nuclear weapons but they are useless as a deterrent without US support.

‘Most’ of us can see.

In the short term he would be allowing his soldiers to be slaughtered without starlink and other US intelligence support. He had no alternative but to side with Trump. Ukraine has been thrown under the bus.

Helped enormously by US withdrawing intelligence support. Cheers Trump