Whitesince63 Posted February 10, 2023 Posted February 10, 2023 18 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Not for me neither. Wonder how many do believe in it though? Over 50% according to recent polls with less than 30% against. Pointless really because politicians of all parties will never give the people a vote. It’s called democracy don’t you know? Quote
Site Supporter Spider Posted February 10, 2023 Site Supporter Posted February 10, 2023 10 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said: Over 50% according to recent polls with less than 30% against. Pointless really because politicians of all parties will never give the people a vote. It’s called democracy don’t you know? I’ll do it. Which poll was this? (I’m going to be straight here and say that a show of hands in The Balmoral isn’t going to count) Quote
Site Supporter Winchester White Posted February 10, 2023 Site Supporter Posted February 10, 2023 Folk who at first like the death penalty usually change their mind when told it costs more than locking them up for life. Quote
Site Supporter Spider Posted February 10, 2023 Site Supporter Posted February 10, 2023 I understand it to a degree. Folk who rape and murder really don’t deserve the privilege of life. But - and it’s a biggie this - if a conviction is overturned, it’s fairly difficult to apologise to and release a corpse. Even one wrong conviction is too many. Personally, I think living in a cell until you die is a decent alternative. Wouldn’t be averse to moderate torture. Quote
Site Supporter MickyD Posted February 10, 2023 Site Supporter Posted February 10, 2023 9 minutes ago, Winchester White said: Folk who at first like the death penalty usually change their mind when told it costs more than locking them up for life. Go on… Quote
Whitesince63 Posted February 10, 2023 Posted February 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Spider said: I’ll do it. Which poll was this? (I’m going to be straight here and say that a show of hands in The Balmoral isn’t going to count) Yougov poll. “Should all cases of murder receive the death penalty” 51% yes 30% no. Somebody need to do something to reduce the No of killings. 30 committed by murderers released back into society and they’re just the ones we know of. Quote
Site Supporter Spider Posted February 10, 2023 Site Supporter Posted February 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said: Yougov poll. “Should all cases of murder receive the death penalty” 51% yes 30% no. Somebody need to do something to reduce the No of killings. 30 committed by murderers released back into society and they’re just the ones we know of. So you’d hand out an immediate death penalty to all murderers? got a link to that you got poll, I can’t find it , cheers Quote
Site Supporter Spider Posted February 10, 2023 Site Supporter Posted February 10, 2023 Apologies, I found it. Are you a bit colour blind perhaps? Quote
Traf Posted February 10, 2023 Posted February 10, 2023 It's still alarming that 30-40% have always supported it, though. Quote
Whitesince63 Posted February 10, 2023 Posted February 10, 2023 Just now, Spider said: So you’d hand out an immediate death penalty to all murderers? got a link to that you got poll, I can’t find it , cheers Sorry Spider I’m a Luddite and don’t know how to link but if you just Google it I’m sure you’ll find it. No, I’m not saying I’d personally have it for all killings but where there is absolutely incontrovertible proof, multiple witnesses and video etc and certainly for terrorist attacks on all sides I certainly would. Where there’s any doubt it should be life and I mean life because that was the agreement when hanging was removed. You say that even if there is one mistake it’s too many and I can see your point but facts show that there have been 30 murders committed by released past murderers so which do you prefer. I think you’d have a job arguing it with the victims families. It’s always going to be contentious but I feel we need to rethink things. Quote
Traf Posted February 10, 2023 Posted February 10, 2023 It's a tough one for sure. Should those two who killed Lee Rigby in broad daylight be allowed to live? Should the likes of Shipman, West, Brady, Hindley, Huntely etc be allowed to live? Probably not, but there have been too many false convictions for a blanket policy to be introduced. Quote
Whitesince63 Posted February 10, 2023 Posted February 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Spider said: Apologies, I found it. Are you a bit colour blind perhaps? Oops, 🥴 Clumsy of me that, I wish they just leave the lines in the same place on all the charts. In fairness several of the graphs show support for certain types of murders which is what I said previously but apologies on that one, use do better!! Quote
Traf Posted February 10, 2023 Posted February 10, 2023 Just now, Whitesince63 said: Oops, 🥴 Clumsy of me that, I wish they just leave the lines in the same place on all the charts. I think (but will check with Boby, the graph expert) that they all put the highest first on the chart and the lowest last. HTH Quote
Whitesince63 Posted February 10, 2023 Posted February 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Traf said: It's a tough one for sure. Should those two who killed Lee Rigby in broad daylight be allowed to live? Should the likes of Shipman, West, Brady, Hindley, Huntely etc be allowed to live? Probably not, but there have been too many false convictions for a blanket policy to be introduced. I agree Traf but those you mentioned were all stone wall guilty, Lee Rigbys killer even on video. Given the number of stitch ups by police to get a conviction you’d have to be absolutely 100% before a death penalty could be given and if not then life. I think we also have to accept that science has moved way forward these days in catching killers with the leap in forensics and DNA which should prevent many mistakes made in the past? Quote
Whitesince63 Posted February 10, 2023 Posted February 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, Traf said: I think (but will check with Boby, the graph expert) that they all put the highest first on the chart and the lowest last. HTH They do and several agreeing to the death penalty were highest but I admit I didn’t realise that and didn’t look closely enough. Quote
Site Supporter Spider Posted February 10, 2023 Site Supporter Posted February 10, 2023 Personally, I’d still go for whole life imprisonment over death. But parents of murdered kids would probably disagree. And when I recall the case of little Emily Jones in Queens Park, I must admit that I’d pull the lever myself and have not a moments hesitation. Quote
Traf Posted February 10, 2023 Posted February 10, 2023 17 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said: I agree Traf but those you mentioned were all stone wall guilty, Lee Rigbys killer even on video. Given the number of stitch ups by police to get a conviction you’d have to be absolutely 100% before a death penalty could be given and if not then life. I think we also have to accept that science has moved way forward these days in catching killers with the leap in forensics and DNA which should prevent many mistakes made in the past? No, I agree. Those I mentioned probably shouldn't have been allowed to serve a prison term, but a blanket policy would be wrong. Quote
royal white Posted February 10, 2023 Posted February 10, 2023 22 minutes ago, Spider said: Personally, I’d still go for whole life imprisonment over death. But parents of murdered kids would probably disagree. And when I recall the case of little Emily Jones in Queens Park, I must admit that I’d pull the lever myself and have not a moments hesitation. I want the penalty for the cunts who broke into my van 15 years ago. Quote
Site Supporter Spider Posted February 10, 2023 Site Supporter Posted February 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, royal white said: I want the penalty for the cunts who broke into my van 15 years ago. You need a security advisor. A good one. Quote
Not in Crawley Posted February 10, 2023 Posted February 10, 2023 What is the death penalty for? Punishment or prevention. Because is sure as hell doesn't work as a preventative measure. And there's no way any society should be killing folk under state law, whatever the crime. The law should never be emotional. Quote
Traf Posted February 10, 2023 Posted February 10, 2023 17 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: What is the death penalty for? Punishment or prevention. Revenge, I'd say. A 'see how you like it' kind of thing. The emotive side of it is why it should not and will not ever come back. Murderers devastate whole innocent families. Killing a muderer would affect his/her/their innocent relatives. Quote
royal white Posted February 10, 2023 Posted February 10, 2023 Just now, Traf said: Revenge, I'd say. A 'see how you like it' kind of thing. The emotive side of it is why it should not and will not ever come back. Murderers devastate whole innocent families. Killing a muderer would affect his/her/their innocent relatives. Really? If any relative of mine killed a kid i’d be one of the first wanting them to get the death sentence. The death penalty isn’t ever going to come Back but what needs to happen is life sentences mean life sentences. They shouldn’t be allowed to walk the streets again. Quote
Traf Posted February 10, 2023 Posted February 10, 2023 1 minute ago, royal white said: Really? If any relative of mine killed a kid i’d be one of the first wanting them to get the death sentence. The death penalty isn’t ever going to come Back but what needs to happen is life sentences mean life sentences. They shouldn’t be allowed to walk the streets again. 1. Not everyone thinks that way 2. Correct. Life should be life. Quote
Not in Crawley Posted February 10, 2023 Posted February 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Traf said: 1. Not everyone thinks that way 2. Correct. Life should be life. Don't agree that it should, really. Just my opinion. Its too much of blanket statement for me - each and every case on its own basis. And yes we all would want revenage, but as you say that's why we don't let families make the judgements. Quote
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