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1 hour ago, bolton va va said:

Similar to Sadlier, a decent player if he's given time on the ball, but lightweight.

No, if we go up....if we stay in Div 1, i'm happy for IE to make the decision, either way.

Sadlier may have his faults (who hasn't?) but I've never thought of him as lightweight.  Wish he was on our bench on Saturday, still hard to believe we let him go on loan.

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This might sound mental, but Sheehan might be better suited a league higher, where there's more emphasis on technical ability rather than physicality.

Evatt said as much himself about the difference in the leagues.

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11 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Sadlier may have his faults (who hasn't?) but I've never thought of him as lightweight.  Wish he was on our bench on Saturday, still hard to believe we let him go on loan.

He’s played 8 games at league 2 and has 1 assist and no goals.. think Evatt called it right. 

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13 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Sadlier may have his faults (who hasn't?) but I've never thought of him as lightweight.  Wish he was on our bench on Saturday, still hard to believe we let him go on loan.

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46 minutes ago, burnden said:

!2 month contract if we stay in this league , no if we go up.

A different topic, but I always wonder how many players actually want us to get promoted (other than for the bonus, but who knows how much that is).  Sheehan a good case in point.  If we go up, zero chance of a new contract in my opinion.  If we stay down, a far better chance.  I don't have a list of who's contracts are up at the end of the season, but taking 2 that I'm aware of, Kachunga will be in the Sheehan camp and then there's JDB sat on the sidelines, thinking if we go up and for arguments sake 2 of our 3 new strikers do the business, that's him out (arguably).  If we fail spectacularly, his stock goes up, if we succeed, who needs JDB?

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3 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

A different topic, but I always wonder how many players actually want us to get promoted (other than for the bonus, but who knows how much that is).  Sheehan a good case in point.  If we go up, zero chance of a new contract in my opinion.  If we stay down, a far better chance.  I don't have a list of who's contracts are up at the end of the season, but taking 2 that I'm aware of, Kachunga will be in the Sheehan camp and then there's JDB sat on the sidelines, thinking if we go up and for arguments sake 2 of our 3 new strikers do the business, that's him out (arguably).  If we fail spectacularly, his stock goes up, if we succeed, who needs JDB?

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https://www.burndenaces.co.uk/bolton-wanderers-squad-list/

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18 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

He’s played 8 games at league 2 and has 1 assist and no goals.. think Evatt called it right. 

3 assists according to the BN, but I don't care what he's done for another team, any more than I care what our 3 new strikers had done prior to coming here in Jan.

Sadlier scored 5 this season, scored a few last season and a few assists both seasons. 

But it was just a throwaway comment that I wish he was on our bench on Saturday, as others have said our squad is a bit lightweight coz of injuries and he's got a proven record, compared to the current alternatives.

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10 minutes ago, Mantra said:

If we go up - no

If we stay in L1 - yes

Agreed. 

Sheehan is technically a good midfielder , he's a good set piece taker and a good squad player. He's scored some important goals, good goals too, like port vale at home recently. 

He's not expensive and I don't think we can get better value squad depth if we are in league 1 next year. 

 

 

 

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47 minutes ago, Traf said:

This might sound mental, but Sheehan might be better suited a league higher, where there's more emphasis on technical ability rather than physicality.

Evatt said as much himself about the difference in the leagues.

Not mental at all. McAteer wasn't in marines' first team iirc. He made the step up very well. 

That said, he was much younger, and I also think the championship won't allow Sheehan any more time- the theory would be that he would have better players around him, moving quicker and allowing him to play the ball quicker.

Unfortunately, last home match I felt his control wasn't great, which allowed opponents to close him down and disposses him. That negates any positive, quick movement. 

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7 hours ago, Traf said:

I feel there's more to him than we're seeing right now.

Yes or no would depend on how much he'd want.

 

7 hours ago, radcliffe white said:

Yes but wouldn’t offer anything daft like a 3 year deal 

 

6 hours ago, Cheese said:

 Leave it to Evatt and the people who work with them every day.

Somewhere between these 3 opinions.

I think he’s a decent squad player at this level. If the team around him has a bit of steel and physicality I don’t mind him starting. I was surprised to see him start with Shoretire again Saturday - I think the 2 of them leave us lightweight in that area of the park.

He’s looked best this season coming off the bench, Burton and Fleetwood spring to mind.

As @Cheese said, I’m more than happy that Evatt will make the right decision as to whether he stays or goes.

 

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17 hours ago, Cheese said:

People were writing Dempsey off a few months back, and he's probably been our most consistent performer since then. It's imbecilic to judge a player on a handful of appearances. Leave it to Evatt and the people who work with them every day.

Crikey Cheese that’s the most thoughtful and sensible thing I’ve ever known you post. 😉 Agree 100% let’s see how he fares now he’s fit, where we are next season, then Evatt will judge whether he’s a keep or not. 

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I’m more concerned about replacing Kieran Lee if he were to go although I’d hope IE gives him another year wherever we are next season. I think with a bit of bulking up in the gym, Sheehan could be a good replacement in the No10 role but I’m sure IE has it well in hand who he wants to retain or replace.

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14 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

I’m more concerned about replacing Kieran Lee if he were to go although I’d hope IE gives him another year wherever we are next season. I think with a bit of bulking up in the gym, Sheehan could be a good replacement in the No10 role but I’m sure IE has it well in hand who he wants to retain or replace.

He's 27!

He's not going to be adding significantly to his physique now. 

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I like Sheehan. Technically very gifted but he’s been in and out and shuffled around since his comeback. Don’t see his role changing too much as he won’t start regularly over Morley and Demps. 
 

another solid squad player to call on so 12 month extension seems fair. Especially with the fact he missed a large part of his contract due to his injury. 
 

a few calls for us getting better in. Not sure there would be many about based on our budget. He won’t be on big money after being plucked from Newport. 

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On 08/03/2023 at 20:22, Johnnyrotten said:

I'm willing to bet Orient didn't ask for Sheehan, Kachunga or Isgrove instead.  Would they start every week for Orient? (no disrespect to them BTW).

They are running away with league 2, they aren't Rochdale.

Or maybe they did, and we said no?

For Sheehan to succeed, he probably needs somebody around him to do the rough stuff (ie MJW) but I’ve long said the legs of Morley and Dempsey offer us far more than sticking someone in front of the back four. Sheehan as a 10 might have some merits, but he’s very much behind Lee and Shoretire in that queue

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4 hours ago, Leyther_Matt said:

Sheehan as a 10 might have some merits, but he’s very much behind Lee and Shoretire in that queue

I also think he'd be a decent 10 slipping balls in for Dion. He's behind Lee, of course, but there's no disgrace in that.
I'm not sure Shola's any better though, started brightly and seems to fade more each week.

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7 minutes ago, Traf said:

I also think he'd be a decent 10 slipping balls in for Dion. He's behind Lee, of course, but there's no disgrace in that.
I'm not sure Shola's any better though, started brightly and seems to fade more each week.

I honestly think Shoretire is a step in front of them a lot of the time. Not too dissimilar to when we had Barry Bannan. I do like how Shoretire has no qualms about receiving the ball facing his own goal and be able to turn and open his body up in one movement. 

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