Meanwhile in France

[Casino]

so care workers can no longer bring in dependents

not to worry, jenrick assures us

the tories have a ten year plan to sort it

 

fanfuckingtastic

til then, lets pile the bodies high

[Casino]

note - im not saying i have the solution, but im sure as fuck its not lets increase the crisis in care sector staffing

[Sweep]

1 hour ago, Casino said:

so care workers can no longer bring in dependents

not to worry, jenrick assures us

the tories have a ten year plan to sort it

 

fanfuckingtastic

til then, lets pile the bodies high

It's fine to offer up such things, when you know full well you'll be out of power within 18 months 

[jayjayoghani]

17 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I know we weren’t… but the rest of Europe is and that gave illegal immigrants a free pass to move within Schengen and many ultimately rocked up at Calais. 

You quoted Gonzos year on year legal migration stats and declare Schengen is the problem.

Me: "We were never in Schengen"

MK: Schengen responsible for illegal migration.

This is your debating style. 

 

Edited December 6, 2023 by jayjayoghani

[wanderer1984]

Has freedom of movement across Europe made it easier for those from other continents?

I'd guess it's had a big impact on today's immigration throughout Europe.

[gonzo]

We're not in Shengen, We dont have freedom of moment but we currently have thousands of migrants pouring in every day either legally or illegally at record levels.

Tony Blairs fault.

 

[Mounts Kipper]

7 hours ago, jayjayoghani said:

You quoted Gonzos year on year legal migration stats and declare Schengen is the problem.

Me: "We were never in Schengen"

MK: Schengen responsible for illegal migration.

This is your debating style. 

 

Forgive me but as you seem to be a bit hard of thinking. Open borders across Europe meant folk were emboldened to chance there arm, how do you think it would if panned out for illegal Immigrants if there was a proper borders in place in every EU Schengen country?  As your hard of thinking I’ll answer it for you, they’d never of reached Calais. 

Edited December 6, 2023 by Mounts Kipper

[Not in Crawley]

6 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Forgive me but as you seem to be a bit hard of thinking. Open borders across Europe meant folk were emboldened to chance there arm, how do you think it would if panned out for illegal Immigrants if there was a proper borders in place in every EU Schengen country?  As your hard of thinking I’ll answer it for you, they’d never of reached Calais. 

Do some people actually believe this utter drivel? Discount politics, economics and history and it still makes no sense whatsoever.

I'm with Casino, Mounts must be on a wind up. No grown up who professes such a viciforious opinion on this subject can have such alack of basic knowledge and understanding of the subject to actually type the paragraph above. 

Or else....well, we know the consequences.

[Mounts Kipper]

3 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Do some people actually believe this utter drivel? Discount politics, economics and history and it still makes no sense whatsoever.

I'm with Casino, Mounts must be on a wind up. No grown up who professes such a viciforious opinion on this subject can have such alack of basic knowledge and understanding of the subject to actually type the paragraph above. 

Or else....well, we know the consequences.

You are welcome to give your alternative opinion..I’m all ears. 

[wanderer1984]

36 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Forgive me but as you seem to be a bit hard of thinking. Open borders across Europe meant folk were emboldened to chance there arm, how do you think it would if panned out for illegal Immigrants if there was a proper borders in place in every EU Schengen country?  As your hard of thinking I’ll answer it for you, they’d never of reached Calais. 

It's not difficult to understand is it.

https://eumigrationlawblog.eu/lets-not-forget-about-schengen/

[Mounts Kipper]

15 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

It's not difficult to understand is it.

https://eumigrationlawblog.eu/lets-not-forget-about-schengen/

Fingers in ears, seems some folk just can’t accept what’s blatantly obvious. I’m waiting patiently for NIC reply to my invitation. 
 

 

[wanderer1984]

6 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Fingers in ears, seems some folk just can’t accept what’s blatantly obvious. I’m waiting patiently for NIC reply to my invitation. 
 

 

I'm not saying it's all down to Schengen but surely it's had quite a bit of impact that allows immigrants across different continents to move through Europe more easily 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Mounts Kipper]

2 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

I'm not saying it's all down to Schengen but surely it's had quite a bit of impact that allows immigrants across different continents to move through Europe more easily 🤷🏻‍♂️

Me neither but it’s played a big part. 

[jayjayoghani]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Forgive me but as you seem to be a bit hard of thinking. Open borders across Europe meant folk were emboldened to chance there arm, how do you think it would if panned out for illegal Immigrants if there was a proper borders in place in every EU Schengen country?  As your hard of thinking I’ll answer it for you, they’d never of reached Calais. 

You can't even read mate. Gonzos stats were for legal migration. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

18 hours ago, Casino said:

so care workers can no longer bring in dependents

not to worry, jenrick assures us

the tories have a ten year plan to sort it

 

fanfuckingtastic

til then, lets pile the bodies high

Or, pay them low wages, bring in as many kiddies as they have, and pile more pressure on over stretched resources. Thus reducing the amount of money available for the care sector.

The only way wages in that sector will rise is by removing cheap labour, simultaneously improve its image as a career, and ensuring that all of us save more in pensions etc.

There is no one solution to the fact that folk live longer nowadays.

Fwiw I don't think we advertise/prioritise  nursing/care as a career enough. Needs to be a more respected and held in high esteem.

A societal shift, that sees wages rise and consistency improve.

 

[MickyD]

19 hours ago, Casino said:

note - im not saying i have the solution, but im sure as fuck its not lets increase the crisis in care sector staffing

Don’t you think some level of healthcare which doesn’t require the potential nurse to spend a number of years becoming cheap (free) labour in a learn-whilst-you-work system? In fact, not only free labour, the student nurse actually pays for the privilege of not earning during training!

If this was sorted then maybe more folk would step up to become nurses.

[Mounts Kipper]

18 minutes ago, jayjayoghani said:

You can't even read mate. Gonzos stats were for legal migration. 

The post didn’t say that  (mentioned nett migration) you reading stuff that’s not there. Then coming to the wrong conclusion. Even the EU themselves admit Schengen is part of the problem. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

52 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Or, pay them low wages, bring in as many kiddies as they have, and pile more pressure on over stretched resources. Thus reducing the amount of money available for the care sector.

The only way wages in that sector will rise is by removing cheap labour, simultaneously improve its image as a career, and ensuring that all of us save more in pensions etc.

There is no one solution to the fact that folk live longer nowadays.

Fwiw I don't think we advertise/prioritise  nursing/care as a career enough. Needs to be a more respected and held in high esteem.

A societal shift, that sees wages rise and consistency improve.

 

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Edited December 6, 2023 by Lt. Aldo Raine

[Sweep]

36 minutes ago, MickyD said:

Don’t you think some level of healthcare which doesn’t require the potential nurse to spend a number of years becoming cheap (free) labour in a learn-whilst-you-work system? In fact, not only free labour, the student nurse actually pays for the privilege of not earning during training!

If this was sorted then maybe more folk would step up to become nurses.

100^% agree with this

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

The state failures connected to the murder of Philippine Le Noir de Carlan are absolutely insane

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Hadn't heard about this.

No doubt another step in hardening of attitudes towards migration, and soft arsed government. 

[jayjayoghani]

Bit of introspective soul searching in France atm regarding the Gisele Pelicot case, which I imagine may have overshadowed the Moroccan story? 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

What a strange story that is.

[wanderer1984]

On 02/10/2024 at 12:26, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Hadn't heard about this.

No doubt another step in hardening of attitudes towards migration, and soft arsed government. 

Used to be headline news

[wanderer1984]

Lovely sceens in Paris after there first champions league final win.