Moderators Casino Posted December 5, 2023 Moderators Share Posted December 5, 2023 so care workers can no longer bring in dependents not to worry, jenrick assures us the tories have a ten year plan to sort it fanfuckingtastic til then, lets pile the bodies high Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted December 5, 2023 Moderators Share Posted December 5, 2023 note - im not saying i have the solution, but im sure as fuck its not lets increase the crisis in care sector staffing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Casino said: so care workers can no longer bring in dependents not to worry, jenrick assures us the tories have a ten year plan to sort it fanfuckingtastic til then, lets pile the bodies high It's fine to offer up such things, when you know full well you'll be out of power within 18 months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayoghani Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said: I know we weren’t… but the rest of Europe is and that gave illegal immigrants a free pass to move within Schengen and many ultimately rocked up at Calais. You quoted Gonzos year on year legal migration stats and declare Schengen is the problem. Me: "We were never in Schengen" MK: Schengen responsible for illegal migration. This is your debating style. Edited December 6, 2023 by jayjayoghani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer1984 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 Has freedom of movement across Europe made it easier for those from other continents? I'd guess it's had a big impact on today's immigration throughout Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 We're not in Shengen, We dont have freedom of moment but we currently have thousands of migrants pouring in every day either legally or illegally at record levels. Tony Blairs fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, jayjayoghani said: You quoted Gonzos year on year legal migration stats and declare Schengen is the problem. Me: "We were never in Schengen" MK: Schengen responsible for illegal migration. This is your debating style. Forgive me but as you seem to be a bit hard of thinking. Open borders across Europe meant folk were emboldened to chance there arm, how do you think it would if panned out for illegal Immigrants if there was a proper borders in place in every EU Schengen country? As your hard of thinking I’ll answer it for you, they’d never of reached Calais. Edited December 6, 2023 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Forgive me but as you seem to be a bit hard of thinking. Open borders across Europe meant folk were emboldened to chance there arm, how do you think it would if panned out for illegal Immigrants if there was a proper borders in place in every EU Schengen country? As your hard of thinking I’ll answer it for you, they’d never of reached Calais. Do some people actually believe this utter drivel? Discount politics, economics and history and it still makes no sense whatsoever. I'm with Casino, Mounts must be on a wind up. No grown up who professes such a viciforious opinion on this subject can have such alack of basic knowledge and understanding of the subject to actually type the paragraph above. Or else....well, we know the consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: Do some people actually believe this utter drivel? Discount politics, economics and history and it still makes no sense whatsoever. I'm with Casino, Mounts must be on a wind up. No grown up who professes such a viciforious opinion on this subject can have such alack of basic knowledge and understanding of the subject to actually type the paragraph above. Or else....well, we know the consequences. You are welcome to give your alternative opinion..I’m all ears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer1984 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 36 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Forgive me but as you seem to be a bit hard of thinking. Open borders across Europe meant folk were emboldened to chance there arm, how do you think it would if panned out for illegal Immigrants if there was a proper borders in place in every EU Schengen country? As your hard of thinking I’ll answer it for you, they’d never of reached Calais. It's not difficult to understand is it. https://eumigrationlawblog.eu/lets-not-forget-about-schengen/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 15 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said: It's not difficult to understand is it. https://eumigrationlawblog.eu/lets-not-forget-about-schengen/ Fingers in ears, seems some folk just can’t accept what’s blatantly obvious. I’m waiting patiently for NIC reply to my invitation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer1984 Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Fingers in ears, seems some folk just can’t accept what’s blatantly obvious. I’m waiting patiently for NIC reply to my invitation. I'm not saying it's all down to Schengen but surely it's had quite a bit of impact that allows immigrants across different continents to move through Europe more easily 🤷🏻♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said: I'm not saying it's all down to Schengen but surely it's had quite a bit of impact that allows immigrants across different continents to move through Europe more easily 🤷🏻♂️ Me neither but it’s played a big part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayoghani Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said: Forgive me but as you seem to be a bit hard of thinking. Open borders across Europe meant folk were emboldened to chance there arm, how do you think it would if panned out for illegal Immigrants if there was a proper borders in place in every EU Schengen country? As your hard of thinking I’ll answer it for you, they’d never of reached Calais. You can't even read mate. Gonzos stats were for legal migration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted December 6, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted December 6, 2023 18 hours ago, Casino said: so care workers can no longer bring in dependents not to worry, jenrick assures us the tories have a ten year plan to sort it fanfuckingtastic til then, lets pile the bodies high Or, pay them low wages, bring in as many kiddies as they have, and pile more pressure on over stretched resources. Thus reducing the amount of money available for the care sector. The only way wages in that sector will rise is by removing cheap labour, simultaneously improve its image as a career, and ensuring that all of us save more in pensions etc. There is no one solution to the fact that folk live longer nowadays. Fwiw I don't think we advertise/prioritise nursing/care as a career enough. Needs to be a more respected and held in high esteem. A societal shift, that sees wages rise and consistency improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted December 6, 2023 Author Site Supporter Share Posted December 6, 2023 19 hours ago, Casino said: note - im not saying i have the solution, but im sure as fuck its not lets increase the crisis in care sector staffing Don’t you think some level of healthcare which doesn’t require the potential nurse to spend a number of years becoming cheap (free) labour in a learn-whilst-you-work system? In fact, not only free labour, the student nurse actually pays for the privilege of not earning during training! If this was sorted then maybe more folk would step up to become nurses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 18 minutes ago, jayjayoghani said: You can't even read mate. Gonzos stats were for legal migration. The post didn’t say that (mentioned nett migration) you reading stuff that’s not there. Then coming to the wrong conclusion. Even the EU themselves admit Schengen is part of the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted December 6, 2023 Members Share Posted December 6, 2023 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Or, pay them low wages, bring in as many kiddies as they have, and pile more pressure on over stretched resources. Thus reducing the amount of money available for the care sector. The only way wages in that sector will rise is by removing cheap labour, simultaneously improve its image as a career, and ensuring that all of us save more in pensions etc. There is no one solution to the fact that folk live longer nowadays. Fwiw I don't think we advertise/prioritise nursing/care as a career enough. Needs to be a more respected and held in high esteem. A societal shift, that sees wages rise and consistency improve. . Edited December 6, 2023 by Lt. Aldo Raine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 36 minutes ago, MickyD said: Don’t you think some level of healthcare which doesn’t require the potential nurse to spend a number of years becoming cheap (free) labour in a learn-whilst-you-work system? In fact, not only free labour, the student nurse actually pays for the privilege of not earning during training! If this was sorted then maybe more folk would step up to become nurses. 100^% agree with this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted October 1 Members Share Posted October 1 The state failures connected to the murder of Philippine Le Noir de Carlan are absolutely insane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 2 Site Supporter Share Posted October 2 Hadn't heard about this. No doubt another step in hardening of attitudes towards migration, and soft arsed government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayoghani Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Bit of introspective soul searching in France atm regarding the Gisele Pelicot case, which I imagine may have overshadowed the Moroccan story? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 3 Site Supporter Share Posted October 3 What a strange story that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer1984 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 On 02/10/2024 at 12:26, Tonge moor green jacket said: Hadn't heard about this. No doubt another step in hardening of attitudes towards migration, and soft arsed government. Used to be headline news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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