Stockport EFL Trophy

[DazBob]

I'm sure it wouldn't have happened in a game that mattered.

[paulhanley]

Anybody any idea when the draw is?

[Dr. Feelgood]

12 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

It's perfectly possible that he thought the manager wanted to protect him, as it was a second knock on the same place, so accepted the decision. 

The comments say that the medical mon went off with him.

Maybe only afterwards, when he heard the reasons, he realised that there had been a misunderstanding, and that the message on the pitch to Santos had been misconstrued.

Shouldn't happen, but an understandable explanation.

It does one thing ... makes clear tje manager's critical to this simple action.

That, in itself, does another thing. It tells Evatt to calm the fuck down & stop getting booked.

[RUREADY2ROLL]

9 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Anybody any idea when the draw is?

There are group games next Tuesday but it will have to be soon if the next round is first week in December

[L/H White]

15 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Anybody any idea when the draw is?

Imagine after the final games next Tuesday 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

It does one thing ... makes clear tje manager's critical to this simple action.

That, in itself, does another thing. It tells Evatt to calm the fuck down & stop getting booked.

Not necessarily. 

The inference was a misunderstanding on the pitch.

Doesn't matter who get told the message, if the message is wrong initially. 

Of course Evatt needs to stop getting yellows, but that's separate. 

[stevieb]

14 hours ago, desperado said:

Good finishes from JDB

 

Great finish for the 2nd. And both goals really. 

A fit firing JDB is what we all want to see with Charles up top but there's no point rushing it and having a great pairing for 3 games then 6 months out. 

 

[Johnnyrotten]

7 minutes ago, stevieb said:

Great finish for the 2nd. And both goals really. 

A fit firing JDB is what we all want to see with Charles up top but there's no point rushing it and having a great pairing for 3 games then 6 months out. 

 

If he's going to break down by playing more than 25 minutes, why is he being risked in meaningless and/or easy cup games?  He's been fit enough to start 4 cup games, I'm sure they try as hard in those games and take as much physical punishment etc.  Surely if a key player is being used sparingly he'd be used for the games that matter, if Santos or Charles were only partly fit they'd start league games and wouldn't go near a cup game. 

[Leyther_Matt]

22 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

If he's going to break down by playing more than 25 minutes, why is he being risked in meaningless and/or easy cup games?  He's been fit enough to start 4 cup games, I'm sure they try as hard in those games and take as much physical punishment etc.  Surely if a key player is being used sparingly he'd be used for the games that matter, if Santos or Charles were only partly fit they'd start league games and wouldn't go near a cup game. 

I think games like last night are exactly what JDB needs in order to build both fitness and confidence. He did miss a decent chance just before the first goal, but once he’d got his eye in you could see him being a lot more confident to take things on, and in turn also cut down on how many times he was offside because he was that bit more comfortable on the shoulder.

Must say it was an absolute pleasure to watch Morley and Thomason spraying the ball about for the second half. We looked like creating a good chance every time we went forward and how we didn’t bag enough three or four is beyond me.

Much more enjoyable night than I’d have expected from a group game.

[passmosster]

11 hours ago, L/H White said:

i'm sorry, he doesn't 

There was a review on Sky towards the end of last season on L! play off winners with a former Charlton manager ?Ben Garner. He said he really fancied us now e had signed Dan Ndlunlu from Southampton who he rated as an all round striker. Still I suppose you know better, errr!

[Casino]

I dunno if he will make it with us, but hes in good company getting called on here/facebook/rwitter

He can join santos, williams, jones, iredale, thomasson, morley and jerome

All got/had their critics

[Johnnyrotten]

25 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:

I think games like last night are exactly what JDB needs in order to build both fitness and confidence. He did miss a decent chance just before the first goal, but once he’d got his eye in you could see him being a lot more confident to take things on, and in turn also cut down on how many times he was offside because he was that bit more comfortable on the shoulder.

Must say it was an absolute pleasure to watch Morley and Thomason spraying the ball about for the second half. We looked like creating a good chance every time we went forward and how we didn’t bag enough three or four is beyond me.

Much more enjoyable night than I’d have expected from a group game.

A good/interesting response, not disagreeing.  I'd also think Vic needs to build his confidence by playing in games like last night as he isn't currently doing it in the league (IMO, others will disagree, fair enough).  If Vic had bagged a couple last night it would arguably do him similar good as it does JDB.  It just seems puzzling to me that JDB is still building fitness after 4 months (including pre-season), if Vic had been out injured are we saying Dan would have started most games because IE didn't want to compromise JDBs fitness?  (rhetorical question, only IE knows).

[Casino]

Fwiw, i think vic plays because he does exactly the job hes asked to do and the team is scoring plenty and winning...winning being the key point

If that changes, then i can see evatt changing things if vic is still failing to score, but while we win, no way

[L/H White]

33 minutes ago, passmosster said:

There was a review on Sky towards the end of last season on L! play off winners with a former Charlton manager ?Ben Garner. He said he really fancied us now e had signed Dan Ndlunlu from Southampton who he rated as an all round striker. Still I suppose you know better, errr!

 

He's literally said that because we got him from a prem club 

Love to hear why he rates him, got a link? 

 

[RUREADY2ROLL]

Only saw them highlights but Dan looked good and laid a few good balls on that should have been taken with Morley missing them. It was a walk in the park though and we did what we needed to do

[Traf]

1 minute ago, RUREADY2ROLL said:

Only saw them highlights but Dan looked good and laid a few good balls on that should have been taken with Morley missing them. It was a walk in the park though and we did what we needed to do

Dan looked sharp until he reached their box, at which point he began to twist and turn in a bid to buy time for others to join in so he could relieve himself of the responsibility of shooting.

Lad needs to be told to starting shooting, it worked away at Bristol Rovers and besides all the layoffs he did last night got wasted by Morley & Jerome.

[desperado]

8 hours ago, Casino said:

Fwiw, i think vic plays because he does exactly the job hes asked to do and the team is scoring plenty and winning...winning being the key point

If that changes, then i can see evatt changing things if vic is still failing to score, but while we win, no way

Spot on.

JDBs fitness is a complex situation which none of us truly understand.

In the 2nd half of the season we might really need him.

Evatt knows it's a sensitive situation and he's managing it well. 

[tomski]

He’s still bagged more than the intelligent wily old fox with 200 prem games under his belt😂

[radcliffe white]

45 minutes ago, desperado said:

Spot on.

JDBs fitness is a complex situation which none of us truly understand.

In the 2nd half of the season we might really need him.

Evatt knows it's a sensitive situation and he's managing it well. 

Fairs fair he’s managing the situation very well it’s working so far

yes you can only deal with now and promotion/signings is later talk but I still can’t understand why we paid fees and long deals for these guys if we get promoted they’ll be massively out their depth it’s a complete clear out in that area if the case 

[desperado]

3 minutes ago, radcliffe white said:

Fairs fair he’s managing the situation very well it’s working so far

yes you can only deal with now and promotion/signings is later talk but I still can’t understand why we paid fees and long deals for these guys if we get promoted they’ll be massively out their depth it’s a complete clear out in that area if the case 

If we go up I suspect you'll be right, recruitment at the top end a priority.

Its old ground, but I think there was an understandable rationale behind the striker signings at the time.

But they don't always work out the way it's intended.

Fully agree with your sentiment about the here and now, which is going pretty well, with all the strikers getting some game time to contribute.

 

[radcliffe white]

1 minute ago, desperado said:

If we go up I suspect you'll be right, recruitment at the top end a priority.

Its old ground, but I think there was an understandable rationale behind the striker signings at the time.

But they don't always work out the way it's intended.

Fully agree with your sentiment about the here and now, which is going pretty well, with all the strikers getting some game time to contribute.

 

Balanced view as always👍

[Tonge moor green jacket]

11 hours ago, Traf said:

Dan looked sharp until he reached their box, at which point he began to twist and turn in a bid to buy time for others to join in so he could relieve himself of the responsibility of shooting.

Lad needs to be told to starting shooting, it worked away at Bristol Rovers and besides all the layoffs he did last night got wasted by Morley & Jerome.

Just looking at the brief highlights, I think you're right in that he didn't manage to get a shot off. That said, defenders were getting back, and I suppose it's that decision making at that moment- if he feels he's better off keeping possession and waiting for support then it's fair enough, as long as it arrives and goals are scored.

In the end it was others who missed their shots.

I reckon he'd need a good run if games to see if he can start scoring; get some confidence to finish off those runs himself etc. That's isn't happening though whilst we're doing well.

Fwiw, as I've said before, I don't think he has the instinctive movement in the box in the way out and out finishers have, but then again not all strikers are Johnny on the spot types.

[captainmed]

13 hours ago, Casino said:

I dunno if he will make it with us, but hes in good company getting called on here/facebook/rwitter

He can join santos, williams, jones, iredale, thomasson, morley and jerome

All got/had their critics

Am I understanding you correctly?

Are you suggesting players who aren’t performing should be immune from criticism? 

[Traf]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Just looking at the brief highlights, I think you're right in that he didn't manage to get a shot off. That said, defenders were getting back, and I suppose it's that decision making at that moment

Needs to shoot here

and here

 

If you don't shoot, you don't score.
If you don't score, you're always under scrutiny.

[Casino]

1 hour ago, captainmed said:

Am I understanding you correctly?

Are you suggesting players who aren’t performing should be immune from criticism? 

im suggesting just about every fucker we ever sign gets written off, labelled as shit

and its repeated ad nauseam

good god, even evatt gets this bollocks

its tedious

ps i'll add sheehan to the list above