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15 hours ago, Casino said:

I dunno if he will make it with us, but hes in good company getting called on here/facebook/rwitter

He can join santos, williams, jones, iredale, thomasson, morley and jerome

All got/had their critics

Can’t say I’ve read Jones,Morley, iredale getting criticism, maybe stuff like needs to up it but nowt bad 

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11 minutes ago, radcliffe white said:

Can’t say I’ve read Jones,Morley, iredale getting criticism, maybe stuff like needs to up it but nowt bad 

They can all have great runs of games but woe betide any of them misplacing a pass. They suddenly become a shit cunt!

It may only last a short time; either until the next game, next goal or, more often, until the next player does something shit and then gets the shit.

The thing is, lots of our support were spoiled in the early part of this century/millennium by us having a long spell in the top division with iconic players such as Okocha, Djorkaeff, Stellios, Campo, Hiero; this list goes on. They may not realise that nowadays, if our players had the skills and the consistency of our past superstars they wouldn’t be at Bolton.

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35 minutes ago, MickyD said:

They can all have great runs of games but woe betide any of them misplacing a pass. They suddenly become a shit cunt!

It may only last a short time; either until the next game, next goal or, more often, until the next player does something shit and then gets the shit.

The thing is, lots of our support were spoiled in the early part of this century/millennium by us having a long spell in the top division with iconic players such as Okocha, Djorkaeff, Stellios, Campo, Hiero; this list goes on. They may not realise that nowadays, if our players had the skills and the consistency of our past superstars they wouldn’t be at Bolton.

Whilst that's true, we've spent the last few seasons in the lower divisions, I doubt anyone is expecting or harping back to those days

A pass that goes wrong will always get a negative response, it's the nature of football 

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58 minutes ago, radcliffe white said:

Can’t say I’ve read Jones,Morley, iredale getting criticism, maybe stuff like needs to up it but nowt bad 

jones gets awful stick on facebook pal

somebody on here wont say a good word about morley - i think hes totally ineffective or something

iredale, that was probably me

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joking aside, we have no bad players - some may not have obvious talents but if theyre starting every week, then evatt thinks theyre worth their place or, at least, he hasnt got anybody better

until we have , keep repeating that such and such is cack, whats the point

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1 minute ago, DirtySanchez said:

Whilst that's true, we've spent the last few seasons in the lower divisions, I doubt anyone is expecting or harping back to those days

A pass that goes wrong will always get a negative response, it's the nature of football 

I'd go one further and suggest it's the nature of society. 

Bit less patience, and a greater desire for instant gratification. 

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1 minute ago, Casino said:

jones gets awful stick on facebook pal

somebody on here wont say a good word about morley - i think hes totally ineffective or something

iredale, that was probably me

:)

joking aside, we have no bad players - some may not have obvious talents but if theyre starting every week, then evatt thinks theyre worth their place or, at least, he hasnt got anybody better

until we have , keep repeating that such and such is cack, whats the point

Quite.

If someone wasn't trying then I'd get it, but it appears we now have a squad that is together. During our bad run I was concerned that something was amiss, but that seems not to be the case.

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Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I'd go one further and suggest it's the nature of society. 

Bit less patience, and a greater desire for instant gratification. 

Maybe with the prem clubs 

But I don't think we are any more negative about a misplaced pass than what we're before Okocha etc arrived

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5 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

Maybe with the prem clubs 

But I don't think we are any more negative about a misplaced pass than what we're before Okocha etc arrived

I do, particularly with social media providing a ground for cunty comments, anonymously. 

At one time, folk would meet in the pubs more; older and younger together, and put the world to rights. A degree of sharing opinions, experience etc and I remain firmly convinced it provided for a more cohesive, less nasty society.

Of course folk have always been critical, but the nastiness we see now wasn't the same.

Racism may have receded, so it's not all bad.

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5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I do, particularly with social media providing a ground for cunty comments, anonymously. 

At one time, folk would meet in the pubs more; older and younger together, and put the world to rights. A degree of sharing opinions, experience etc and I remain firmly convinced it provided for a more cohesive, less nasty society.

Of course folk have always been critical, but the nastiness we see now wasn't the same.

Racism may have receded, so it's not all bad.

I was meaning at the match 

Given where I live I only really do away games but from what I've seen it's no worse than what you'd expect, though can't vouch for home games though 

There will be those brought up on FIFA Soccer who think Charles could do a double somersault overhead kick goal though 

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18 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

A good/interesting response, not disagreeing.  I'd also think Vic needs to build his confidence by playing in games like last night as he isn't currently doing it in the league (IMO, others will disagree, fair enough).  If Vic had bagged a couple last night it would arguably do him similar good as it does JDB.  It just seems puzzling to me that JDB is still building fitness after 4 months (including pre-season), if Vic had been out injured are we saying Dan would have started most games because IE didn't want to compromise JDBs fitness?  (rhetorical question, only IE knows).

I think Vic is doing enough in general play - particularly linking between midfield and Charles - to justify his spot a bit better whereas JDB has always been seen as more of an out and out striker. 

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2 hours ago, DirtySanchez said:

I was meaning at the match 

Given where I live I only really do away games but from what I've seen it's no worse than what you'd expect, though can't vouch for home games though 

There will be those brought up on FIFA Soccer who think Charles could do a double somersault overhead kick goal though 

I think by their nature, aways have more of an intense positivity, especially when the team is going well.

Always been moaning buggers too, but my point about changing society pervades all over, including on-line. 

A general decline in social etiquette, and decency.

A few too many pepped up fuck-pigs that could do with a spell being beasted by a drill sergeant.

 

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3 hours ago, DirtySanchez said:

Whilst that's true, we've spent the last few seasons in the lower divisions, I doubt anyone is expecting or harping back to those days

A pass that goes wrong will always get a negative response, it's the nature of football 

Innit.

The harping on about the past is the sort of thing Keith Hill would say.

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When I first started watching Bolton it was Neil Whatmore who was getting the unwarranted stick. I don't know whether its just Bolton fans who seem to always have to have a scapegoat or two, but it is certainly something that's run right the way through our history. The worst example was Ian Moores in the early 80s - he had a really bad time at Bolton but the stick he copped made things ten times worse. 

If it's constructive it's not as bad  Folk on here saying there's something needs addressing with Nlundulu as he seems shot-shy, that's just an observation backed up by what we all see. It's not personal or nasty. That's the difference. 

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45 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

When I first started watching Bolton it was Neil Whatmore who was getting the unwarranted stick. I don't know whether its just Bolton fans who seem to always have to have a scapegoat or two, but it is certainly something that's run right the way through our history. The worst example was Ian Moores in the early 80s - he had a really bad time at Bolton but the stick he copped made things ten times worse. 

If it's constructive it's not as bad  Folk on here saying there's something needs addressing with Nlundulu as he seems shot-shy, that's just an observation backed up by what we all see. It's not personal or nasty. That's the difference. 

I never got the hatred that Julian Darby got 

You'd think the fans would get behind local lads but for some reason they are the ones that get the abuse

Nicky Hunt wouldn't have played so many matches in the prem if he was as shit as many made out

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9 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

I never got the hatred that Julian Darby got 

You'd think the fans would get behind local lads but for some reason they are the ones that get the abuse

Nicky Hunt wouldn't have played so many matches in the prem if he was as shit as many made out

There was a phase of Mark Patterson getting a load of stick as well - pretty local from Darwen.

Some keepers who had rough spells made worse by abuse: Dennis Peacock, Simon Farnworth, Mike Salmon. 

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3 hours ago, Leyther_Matt said:

I think Vic is doing enough in general play - particularly linking between midfield and Charles - to justify his spot a bit better whereas JDB has always been seen as more of an out and out striker. 

I'm going to respectfully disagree, I think if Vic justifies his place, its by scoring goals.  He scored 5 after 7.5 games, and nobody could complain at that, he justified starting.  2 months later with no more goals, or even assists, his overall play comes into focus more than facts/figures, and for me he's not on the same level as JDB.  Where Bod more often than not adds to and instigates attacks or retaining possession, Vic is part of how a lot of attacks break down, with the ball bouncing off him or the centre half easily picking his pocket.  JDB doesn't need to score to significantly contribute, he has more to his game than goals, I don't see that in Vic.

Just my view!  As usual, nobody has to agree.

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44 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

There was a phase of Mark Patterson getting a load of stick as well - pretty local from Darwen.

Some keepers who had rough spells made worse by abuse: Dennis Peacock, Simon Farnworth, Mike Salmon. 

There must be as many "un local" as "local" that got stick.  Mixu got loads, De Freitas.  in the same team as Darby, Philliskirk was getting as much stick (he's still one of my favourite ever BW players).  In the same era as Hunt, Pederson, Gavin McCann, Zat Knight, Jay Lloyd Samuel, Gerald Cid got stick.  I think people only pick up on it if its a local player.

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2 hours ago, paulhanley said:

When I first started watching Bolton it was Neil Whatmore who was getting the unwarranted stick. I don't know whether its just Bolton fans who seem to always have to have a scapegoat or two, but it is certainly something that's run right the way through our history. The worst example was Ian Moores in the early 80s - he had a really bad time at Bolton but the stick he copped made things ten times worse. 

If it's constructive it's not as bad  Folk on here saying there's something needs addressing with Nlundulu as he seems shot-shy, that's just an observation backed up by what we all see. It's not personal or nasty. That's the difference. 

I dont know of anyone on here saying anything personal or nasty to any players! Now then, im sure some posters get alot worse off certain pedigrees on here, but such is life, get fuckin on with it! Not at you Paul, a generalisation.

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