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19 minutes ago, Biggish Dave said:

Are we able to play Conway and Khumbeni if we want? Similarly, Carty - surely available if we beat Vale?

I posted the eligibility rules a few weeks ago. Something along the lines of 4 (was it 5?) outfield players from previous (next) game, or top 11 most appearances in the season or over 40 professional 1st team starts - which gives you plenty of scope to mix things up and play the likes of Conway/Carty/Khumbeni/Matheson as well as 1st team squad who haven’t been starting games. 

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1 hour ago, Zico said:

Given we don't really want to change the starting xi this cup also gives the bench a chance to start and stay in form, keep sharp etc

Absolutely.

Why change our approach?

At the moment there are a lot more positives to being in than out and your point (and mine a bit further up the thread) highlight why.

The only time this should change (and God forbid this happens) is if the squad becomes decimated with injury and affects a promotion challenge.

But all that is hypothetical.

You can’t go into these games saying I’m not playing so and so because he might get injured.

Players can get injured in all kinds of different circumstances to playing games in the EFL trophy.

While the squads fit, healthy and of enough numbers to rotate and select accordingly then keep playing, keep winning, keep everyone happy. 

Last year our squad, (in the main), was in great form both leading up to the final and after it - very little sign that we took our eye off the ball, weren’t fit enough or couldn’t handle the extra games.

 

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You could potentially (including meeting all the rule criteria), field a completely different 11 to our current best 11.

                       Coleman

          Forrester. Toure. Iredale

Mattheson       Morley.        Ashworth

                 Dempsey.  CMG

                 JDB.      Nlundulu 

So while we have everybody fit and you can rest and rotate accordingly, surely those players above benefit from having competitive game time?

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12 hours ago, Big E said:

I find it weird people would sooner not win a trophy in exchange for maybe a couple of rounds in the FA cup 

aye crazy, think we've still some premier league snobbery about our fan base

need to realise who we are and where we are now 

winning this trophy at wembley is the best it's getting for us

realistically we could be a mid table championship team with our current owners 

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22 minutes ago, L/H White said:

aye crazy, think we've still some premier league snobbery about our fan base

need to realise who we are and where we are now 

winning this trophy at wembley is the best it's getting for us

realistically we could be a mid table championship team with our current owners 

Gives Wigan vibes 

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I don’t get why it has to be one or the other? Surely it’s a game by game approach for all cup games?

Coming up against one of the big boys in the FA Cup would be fantastic. I don’t think anyone is saying we are going to win it or get disillusioned into thinking we are premiership standard.

But on the other side of the coin the EFL trophy was a great day (yes it wouldn’t be the same) and more importantly these games act as great competitive platform for players on the edge of the squad, the bench warmers and B team members to keep competitively fit to come into the 1st team when needed.

The only time this becomes an issue is if there are concerns over injuries, fitness or fatigue. 

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We will know what’s happening in the fa cup before this is played (unless worse case a draw against harrogate)

we can’t do it all last season towards the end we tiered out sluggish performances against burton, Cambridge & accy and of course Barnsley these cup games will take there toll

dont get me wrong it’s a good position to be in and that team desperado put up isn’t shabby 

 

 

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7 hours ago, L/H White said:

aye crazy, think we've still some premier league snobbery about our fan base

need to realise who we are and where we are now 

winning this trophy at wembley is the best it's getting for us

realistically we could be a mid table championship team with our current owners 

I can't speak for anyone else but I've loved the FA Cup since the first time I noticed it in the 70s, not sure what premier league snobbery has to do with anything, we're BWFC not Liverpool or Man U.  I still relish every round, admittedly not as much as before because its been devalued and the atmosphere has been reduced for many reasons.  But compared to the EFL Trophy nonsense (U21s, group games, no fixtures ever being of interest to anyone outside of the competing teams), its light years ahead.  We won't win the FA Cup, but that just isn't the point of the FA Cup, its about being part of it for as long as possible for me and just enjoying it.  There's no enjoyment in the EFL Trophy (for me) unless its scoring goals at Wembley, even being runners up would make the whole thing a waste of time for me. 

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30 minutes ago, radcliffe white said:

We will know what’s happening in the fa cup before this is played (unless worse case a draw against harrogate)

we can’t do it all last season towards the end we tiered out sluggish performances against burton, Cambridge & accy and of course Barnsley these cup games will take there toll

dont get me wrong it’s a good position to be in and that team desperado put up isn’t shabby 

 

 

Good points as always pal. Some good debate around those games.

Cambridge one definitely falls into that category coming off the back of the final and Exeter away.

The others I’m not so sure about. Out of all our shocking/results performances away at Burton that one last year was one of our best. If we’d put our chances away we’d have won that one.

I thought our energy levels were ok against Accrington, I think that kind of result can happen with BWFC regardless of any external/concerning issue beforehand.

The Barnsley one, maybe, or were they just better than us throughout the course of the season?  (obviously discounting the 0-3 away game against their 10 men!)

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7 hours ago, desperado said:

You could potentially (including meeting all the rule criteria), field a completely different 11 to our current best 11.

                       Coleman

          Forrester. Toure. Iredale

Mattheson       Morley.        Ashworth

                 Dempsey.  CMG

                 JDB.      Nlundulu 

So while we have everybody fit and you can rest and rotate accordingly, surely those players above benefit from having competitive game time?

A good argument, as ever.  We don't have to agree - my personal take is they are better resting the players/avoiding injuries and tiredness or training/preparing for the next league game than playing Port Vale in front of 2k, but no problem with your different viewpoint.  That line up would be a decent compromise (I still don't get why JDB is fit enough for one competition but not the other 😀) but the reality is it won't happen, without looking at each line up in the competition last couple of years, there are loads of appearances by bone fide 1st teamers like Santos, Jones, Charles certainly from the bench if not starting. 

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45 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

A good argument, as ever.  We don't have to agree - my personal take is they are better resting the players/avoiding injuries and tiredness or training/preparing for the next league game than playing Port Vale in front of 2k, but no problem with your different viewpoint.  That line up would be a decent compromise (I still don't get why JDB is fit enough for one competition but not the other 😀) but the reality is it won't happen, without looking at each line up in the competition last couple of years, there are loads of appearances by bone fide 1st teamers like Santos, Jones, Charles certainly from the bench if not starting. 

It is a good debate and you make some valid points.

IMO The JDB one is more complex than we all understand. He’s been affected so much with injuries.

I still maintain that at the moment he doesn’t HAVE to start. 12/13 wins and being 4 nil up before he came on, on Saturday backs that up.

I think him starting/performing/scoring in cup games (2 coming up very quickly) can keep his morale, fitness and form up. And this will keep him sharp for when needed off the bench.

Who knows Evatt may start him in one of the up coming league games, but I doubt it, he knows how to treat his players and understand how/when to use them to achieve the greatest impact, while keeping all the squad fit & focused.

For me it’s important to keep him fit all season especially in the 2nd half of season if/when form has dropped

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8 minutes ago, desperado said:

Good points as always pal. Some good debate around those games.

Cambridge one definitely falls into that category coming off the back of the final and Exeter away.

The others I’m not so sure about. Out of all our shocking/results performances away at Burton that one last year was one of our best. If we’d put our chances away we’d have won that one.

I thought our energy levels were ok against Accrington, I think that kind of result can happen with BWFC regardless of any external/concerning issue beforehand.

The Barnsley one, maybe, or were they just better than us throughout the course of the season?  (obviously discounting the 0-3 away game against their 10 men!)

First leg they did a job and a good one at that, I did think the away game we looked so drained out of steam if I’m honest

suppose we have better quality in depth with our squad compared to last, I’m not against cup runs but let’s be mindful that’s all 

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