Joey Barton

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, Duck Egg said:

For all Dwight Yorke's faults, he wasn't (& still isn't) in the same bell end ball park as Joey Barton was, and yet the Chairman of Fleetwood took a punt on him.  I suspect there are plenty of middle aged, white chairmen, who won't take a punt on a black player trying to break into management, let alone one with baggage. 

I bet there aren't.

 

[DirtySanchez]

8 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I bet there aren't.

 

It's a bet neither of you will win but it does raise a question 

Think John Barnes and Sol Campbell have been vocal about not been given jobs 

Now they have been shit at their job but there's plenty of white managers who get sacked numerous times but end up in a job 

See Coyle for starters 

I can see why they would ask the question 

But I wouldn't start my own football team to change it

[royal white]

Just now, DirtySanchez said:

It's a bet neither of you will win but it does raise a question 

Think John Barnes and Sol Campbell have been vocal about not been given jobs 

Now they have been shit at their job but there's plenty of white managers who get sacked numerous times but end up in a job 

See Coyle for starters 

I can see why they would ask the question 

But I wouldn't start my own football team to change it

Though there aren’t many black managers a few of them have gone from job to job like Coyle 

[DirtySanchez]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

Though there aren’t many black managers a few of them have gone from job to job like Coyle 

And only a few 

Possibly Hughton and Powell where as there's loads of white managers who have 

But it's getting that job in the first place 

And there maybe loads put off by what they see as perceived basis 

[royal white]

1 minute ago, DirtySanchez said:

And only a few 

Possibly Hughton and Powell where as there's loads of white managers who have 

But it's getting that job in the first place 

And there maybe loads put off by what they see as perceived basis 

Moore, Ince, Keith curle 

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

35 minutes ago, royal white said:

Read a book dummy 

He read a book once...... Green it was 😁

[BobyBrno]

Scottish managers seem to do well in England. Welsh and Irish less so. Foreign managers dominate in the Premier regardless of skin colour. 

[DirtySanchez]

Just now, royal white said:

Moore, Ince, Keith curle 

So we're up to five 

Moore took up a team up with more points than we'll get this season 

Seems like behind the scenes Sheff Wed are a mess and Huddersfield not much better 

How about Rooney, Lampard, Gerrard just getting jobs off their name 

[royal white]

5 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

So we're up to five 

Moore took up a team up with more points than we'll get this season 

Seems like behind the scenes Sheff Wed are a mess and Huddersfield not much better 

How about Rooney, Lampard, Gerrard just getting jobs off their name 

Up to 5 out of how many. Theres more to add as well. Basically those that have been in management seem to find another job if they want soon after. Like coyle. Others like Jimmy Floyd wanted a break. 
 

They got the Job because of their name and qualifications. I’m guessing if 2 folk are going for a job with the same quals but 1 was one of the best footballers in the world once upon a time then he’s going to get it. Kind of like Henry and Viera 

Edited March 1 by royal white

[BobyBrno]

Kompany? Did well to get Burnley up. Will they pot him like many others who have done the same?

[DirtySanchez]

7 minutes ago, royal white said:

Up to 5 out of how many. Theres more to add as well. Basically those that have been in management seem to find another job if they want soon after. Like coyle. Others like Jimmy Floyd wanted a break. 
 

They got the Job because of their name and qualifications. I’m guessing if 2 folk are going for a job with the same quals but 1 was one of the best footballers in the world once upon a time then he’s going to get it. Kind of like Henry and Viera 

Ask a Palace fan and they will tell you viera was unfairly sacked 

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

Ask a Palace fan and they will tell you viera was unfairly sacked 

Really? With A 29% win record 

[DirtySanchez]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

Really? With A 29% win record 

Have a look at who they played in the run up to him being sacked 

I know Palace fans and they reckon he was taking them in the right direction 

Edited March 1 by DirtySanchez

[Zico]

Why don't more black people not own football clubs? Or head to consortiums? 

I'm sure plenty black folk could do what Sharon does

Even what Ken did 

It is odd that so few black players go on to be coaches or managers

And you can't make someone employ one 

So maybe Dwight is onto something buying a club 

Make a change, set an example

Good on him 

 

[DirtySanchez]

9 minutes ago, royal white said:

Really? With A 29% win record 

FA cup semi and 12th place the previous season 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

43 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

It's a bet neither of you will win but it does raise a question 

Think John Barnes and Sol Campbell have been vocal about not been given jobs 

Now they have been shit at their job but there's plenty of white managers who get sacked numerous times but end up in a job 

See Coyle for starters 

I can see why they would ask the question 

But I wouldn't start my own football team to change it

Of course. Precisely why it was a stupid claim initially.

Evidence does exist however, that black players are in squads and teams in abundance: if owners were so inclined, then you would expect those clubs not to have many, if any.

33 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

And only a few 

Possibly Hughton and Powell where as there's loads of white managers who have 

But it's getting that job in the first place 

And there maybe loads put off by what they see as perceived basis 

It is possible of course, but it may also be a convenient tool to chuck at owners to cover their own lack of performance.

Which in turn, may make some owners wary- not because they're racist, but they don't want the risk of that card being played.

Black people make up just over 4% of the population- if that is applied to the 92 Premier league and efl clubs then that would yield around 4.

On an individual basis, such bias may exist, but if folk want to find something more untoward, then that's precisely what they will achieve.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

7 minutes ago, Zico said:

Why don't more black people not own football clubs? Or head to consortiums? 

I'm sure plenty black folk could do what Sharon does

Even what Ken did 

It is odd that so few black players go on to be coaches or managers

And you can't make someone employ one 

So maybe Dwight is onto something buying a club 

Make a change, set an example

Good on him 

 

Fair point, though if his motives aren't specifically aligned with the needs of the club, then he could have problems.

 

[royal white]

6 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

FA cup semi and 12th place the previous season 

Which is probably why he didn’t get sacked that season. 
 

No wins by mid March in 2023 is probably why he got sacked.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

I think they got shutnof him way too soon too. But that isn't usual for Palace, nor plenty of other clubs.

I see that as him being treated in the same way as other managers.

[DirtySanchez]

7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Of course. Precisely why it was a stupid claim initially.

Evidence does exist however, that black players are in squads and teams in abundance: if owners were so inclined, then you would expect those clubs not to have many, if any.

It is possible of course, but it may also be a convenient tool to chuck at owners to cover their own lack of performance.

Which in turn, may make some owners wary- not because they're racist, but they don't want the risk of that card being played.

Black people make up just over 4% of the population- if that is applied to the 92 Premier league and efl clubs then that would yield around 4.

On an individual basis, such bias may exist, but if folk want to find something more untoward, then that's precisely what they will achieve.

By that token we should have loads more Asians playing football or managing as it's a higher percentage than blacks 

5.4 million compared to 2.4 million

But we don't 

So it's a pointless thing to say 

[DirtySanchez]

5 minutes ago, royal white said:

Which is probably why he didn’t get sacked that season. 
 

No wins by mid March in 2023 is probably why he got sacked.

 

As I said Palace fans thought he was changing the team for the better and it was a bad run of fixtures that did for him 

Have you looked them up?

[royal white]

9 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

As I said Palace fans thought he was changing the team for the better and it was a bad run of fixtures that did for him 

Have you looked them up?

I don’t need to, no wins by mid March and a 29% win ratio you’re not going to last long managing in the prem. well unless you’re Kompany who is……

Edited March 1 by royal white

[Spider]

31 minutes ago, Zico said:

Why don't more black people not own football clubs? Or head to consortiums? 

I'm sure plenty black folk could do what Sharon does

Even what Ken did 

It is odd that so few black players go on to be coaches or managers

And you can't make someone employ one 

So maybe Dwight is onto something buying a club 

Make a change, set an example

Good on him 

 

Seems the kind of bloke who’d rather spend money on a football club than his child

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Building an empire for his kiddy?

[DirtySanchez]

8 minutes ago, royal white said:

I don’t need to, no wins by mid March and a 29% win ratio you’re not going to last long managing in the prem. well unless you’re Kompany who is……

Ignorance is bliss 

Thomas Frank's record is worse at Brentford this season 

Doubt they'll sack him and they'll stay up