Lincoln City (A) Boxing Day

[Ani]

Tbf the original point was about the Evatt interview. 

[CambridgeBWFC]

On 27/12/2023 at 23:38, Johnnyrotten said:

Vic is the worst at holding the ball up as I've seen in a Bolton shirt for years, the ball literally bounces off him, and he has zero strength.  Centre halves take it off him like men v boys without breaking stride.

Nonsense, he plays alongside a striker who is worse at holding it up than him.

 

 

[gonzo]

If he was any better he wouldnt be playing in division 3 for Burton and Bolton.

 

[radcliffe white]

5 minutes ago, gonzo said:

If he was any better he wouldnt be playing in division 3 for Burton and Bolton.

 

Plenty of strikers knocking about in Lower leagues better than Vic, maybe it was poor scouting?, anyway who knows let’s get promotion then deal with then 

[tomski]

1 hour ago, radcliffe white said:

Plenty of strikers knocking about in Lower leagues better than Vic, maybe it was poor scouting?, anyway who knows let’s get promotion then deal with then 

If we don’t go up, let Evatt go to a prem club and we will be quids in on big Vic. Nothing to worry about😂

[Tonge moor green jacket]

13 hours ago, DirtySanchez said:

Would that not depend on what you're buying?

If you're buying a house and it only performs one function and there are comparable properties available, yet you pay more than what the others are worth, then yes you can say you've paid over the odds

There's many variables to a footballer and not always direct comparisons or how they will fit into a team, so comparing one footballer to another isn't the same and so it comes down to how much the club value that player

This, entirely.

A product is sold at a given price, and you can shop around for the best deal.

A footballer is unique and his value/worth etc is only what he brings to his team.

A buying club can look at several players and marry up the respective costs with their likely contribution and move from there.

Only when a transfer is agreed does he then have a value in terms of hard cash.

 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

I give up 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, radcliffe white said:

Plenty of strikers knocking about in Lower leagues better than Vic, maybe it was poor scouting?, anyway who knows let’s get promotion then deal with then 

That's a very opinion based view.

No doubt Evatt and his team had a different one. They also will have had more data to look at.

In particular in giving us a slightly different option if that was on their mind.

There is though no guarantee with any signing, and Vic does need to score more, but what we don't know is if a different signing would have been any better.

I remember us signing Cunningham late on to get us up. A fine move by Phil Neal, and one that would have paid for itself.

It may be the same with Vic and he may not be good enough for a higher level, but that doesn't mean it's been a waste 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

5 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I give up 

You can use as many phrases as you want; worth, value etc.

It's just technical, but fundamentally until a player is bought its meaningless. 

The utd striker is a case in point. Three moves, and great increase in fee as teams clearly see a youngster with great potential. 

The latest does seem ridiculous, but that's what the club felt was necessary. In today's market its not unusual.

[radcliffe white]

15 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

That's a very opinion based view.

No doubt Evatt and his team had a different one. They also will have had more data to look at.

In particular in giving us a slightly different option if that was on their mind.

There is though no guarantee with any signing, and Vic does need to score more, but what we don't know is if a different signing would have been any better.

I remember us signing Cunningham late on to get us up. A fine move by Phil Neal, and one that would have paid for itself.

It may be the same with Vic and he may not be good enough for a higher level, but that doesn't mean it's been a waste 

If we get promotion then he’s played his part and the 500k is nothing it’s worked well

we all have a our opinions on certain players and until the season plays out then it’s hard to judge but 6 goals 1 assist in 20 odd games you wonder why people question him

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

11 minutes ago, radcliffe white said:

If we get promotion then he’s played his part and the 500k is nothing it’s worked well

we all have a our opinions on certain players and until the season plays out then it’s hard to judge but 6 goals 1 assist in 20 odd games you wonder why people question him

 

Of course, on a basic level, you want more.

Without checking, I'd guess that goal return is around (a touch worse) that of Kevin Davies when he led the line. I always believed he should have scored more, but ultimately you have to judge on more than that. As a partnership, him and Dion have done well in terms of goals, and if his presence helps Dion then that's fine.

If neither were scoring then I'd be more worried. 

I suppose we might get a better idea if Vic and Bod had to play a number of games together. If goals flowed from either or both, then again, nothing to worry about.

[radcliffe white]

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Of course, on a basic level, you want more.

Without checking, I'd guess that goal return is around (a touch worse) that of Kevin Davies when he led the line. I always believed he should have scored more, but ultimately you have to judge on more than that. As a partnership, him and Dion have done well in terms of goals, and if his presence helps Dion then that's fine.

If neither were scoring then I'd be more worried. 

I suppose we might get a better idea if Vic and Bod had to play a number of games together. If goals flowed from either or both, then again, nothing to worry about.

Thing is with Davies he did literally run defenders ragged and tier them out this guy is nothing like that

Just hope Dion is settled and if he was to be sold it’s in good time for a replacement otherwise it’s a different picture then 

[Johnnyrotten]

2 hours ago, CambridgeBWFC said:

Nonsense, he plays alongside a striker who is worse at holding it up than him.

 

 

I can't disagree with that 😀I'll qualify it by saying, of those strikers who's main job is to hold the ball up (rather than be goalscorer/creator), he is as bad as I've seen at this level, I'd love us to play against him.  Charles no better in that respect but we all know why he justifies starting every game.

[Johnnyrotten]

2 hours ago, gonzo said:

If he was any better he wouldnt be playing in division 3 for Burton and Bolton.

 

Not to bring up the Alfie May debate again, but he  is clearly better than most strikers in L1, and his teams have been Doncaster and Cheltenham before he joined Charlton aged 30.  We aren't expecting Championship standard players to drop into L1, but its reasonable to think if we're paying good money we'd be trying to get players that are above average L1 or at least have the potential to be (Dan presumably bought on that basis).

[bolty58]

23 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Not to bring up the Alfie May debate again, but he  is clearly better than most strikers in L1, and his teams have been Doncaster and Cheltenham before he joined Charlton aged 30.  We aren't expecting Championship standard players to drop into L1, but its reasonable to think if we're paying good money we'd be trying to get players that are above average L1 or at least have the potential to be (Dan presumably bought on that basis).

FFS. Right then. I want Victor Osimhen. Well you started it.

[CambridgeBWFC]

52 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I can't disagree with that 😀I'll qualify it by saying, of those strikers who's main job is to hold the ball up (rather than be goalscorer/creator), he is as bad as I've seen at this level, I'd love us to play against him.  Charles no better in that respect but we all know why he justifies starting every game.

I still don't think he is that bad, his control isn't the best and let's him down at times but he can hold off defenders. He is constantly being pulled by defenders and never gets much joy out of the refs. I also think we are much more balanced with him playing and see the best from Charles with him playing 

[masi 51]

We currently dont have a forward who is Championship class

[waffer cup 07]

4 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

We currently dont have a forward who is Championship class

Not sure you would have, where wev'e come from.

Edited December 29, 2023 by waffer cup 07

[masi 51]

9 minutes ago, waffer cup 07 said:

Not sure you would have, where wev'e come from.

Exactly that.... If and its a if we get up Evatt will have some tough calls. Quite a few have been with us since our lge2 days and have served the club well, but are simply not Championship class

[Ani]

Thing is....we have scored more goals in 2023 than any year ever in our history. Vic has led the line in plenty of those games. 
 

He is nowhere near as bad as some are making out. 

[Ani]

13 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

Exactly that.... If and it's a if we get up Evatt will have some tough calls. Quite a few have been with us since our lge2 days and have served the club well, but are simply not Championship class

Thing is...for any promoted team first job is to stay up so if we did which players could a job ?

Baxter, Toal, Santos, George J  Legohead, Dempsey , Sheehan Dion

maybe Gethin, Iredale, Morley, Big Daddy 
 

Of course we will need some incomings and current starters become squad players but it is more evolution than whole scale changes IMO. 

[Jol_BWFC]

7 minutes ago, Ani said:

Thing is...for any promoted team first job is to stay up so if we did which players could a job ?

Baxter, Toal, Santos, George J  Legohead, Dempsey , Sheehan Dion

maybe Gethin, Iredale, Morley, Big Daddy 
 

Of course we will need some incomings and current starters become squad players but it is more evolution than whole scale changes IMO. 

Uncle Neil can issue another bond to fund the purchases, with a 100% bonus for promotion to the land of milk and honey.

Edited December 29, 2023 by Jol_BWFC

[gonzo]

2 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Not to bring up the Alfie May debate again, but he  is clearly better than most strikers in L1, and his teams have been Doncaster and Cheltenham before he joined Charlton aged 30.  We aren't expecting Championship standard players to drop into L1, but its reasonable to think if we're paying good money we'd be trying to get players that are above average L1 or at least have the potential to be (Dan presumably bought on that basis).

If we sign Alfie May, Dion is sold. Thats the only way it would've happened plus he wanted to stay in Kent.

Vic Dan and Bod are all there be foils and link up men for Dion. 

Its worked so far.