Barnsley (H)

[FrancisFogarty]

Don’t know if it’s been mentioned already but did one of theirs get tackled on EL touch line, roll out of play then roll back in?

Top notch shithousery from the team that last season had dry towels for their players throw ins. Until our ball boys chucked them in puddles.

[tomski]

Semantics maybe but the throw for their goal should of been a foul throw. Feet were well over the line 

[CumbrianWhite]

1 hour ago, radcliffe white said:

Can’t see what part Gomes will play tbh It was the type of game crying out for some individual magic thought this guy might do that 

 

It does seem a funny signing. He’s clearly a good player at this level but has played most of his career prior to us on the wing. When he’s coming on it’s been as a midfielder rather than a striker.
 

Can’t see evatt playing him against any of the better sides in that role as he looks a bit of a liability defensively as it’s something he’s never really had to do much. 

[TM Trotter]

Glad Evatt has called out our fanbase for howling bloody murder during the difficult period of the 2nd half. 

If that was an away game, there would be grumbles, sure, but I'm certain there would be more supportive noises than whatever that mob lynching was. How are the players supposed to reset and focus with thousands of their own "fans" screaming every decision they make?

That cheer for the long ball was up there as one of the most embarrassing moments I've felt as a Wanderer; and that includes the thumping at Accrington. Especially pathetic as said long ball still just gave Barnsley possession. 

[CumbrianWhite]

There’s a couple of buffoons sitting in east lower who were shouting and screaming till they were red in the face for us to boot it long for the majority of the game.
 

Our home support has been pretty poor for a long time. It seems people just expect us to roll over any team that comes. 

[Leyther_Matt]

14 minutes ago, FrancisFogarty said:

Don’t know if it’s been mentioned already but did one of theirs get tackled on EL touch line, roll out of play then roll back in?

Top notch shithousery from the team that last season had dry towels for their players throw ins. Until our ball boys chucked them in puddles.

Yeah, he did exactly that. Barnsley have been through a couple of managers in the time we’ve had Evatt but they all seem to have that streak. 

[onefinfrandsen]

4 minutes ago, TM Trotter said:

Glad Evatt has called out our fanbase for howling bloody murder during the difficult period of the 2nd half. 

If that was an away game, there would be grumbles, sure, but I'm certain there would be more supportive noises than whatever that mob lynching was. How are the players supposed to reset and focus with thousands of their own "fans" screaming every decision they make?

That cheer for the long ball was up there as one of the most embarrassing moments I've felt as a Wanderer; and that includes the thumping at Accrington. Especially pathetic as said long ball still just gave Barnsley possession. 

When vic got subbed, guy in front of me shouted hope it’s your last game for us , now f… off to turkey 

[Leyther_Matt]

I think people are doing a disservice to the support, btw. The second half nerves were only feeding off what was going on in front of everyone, and there aren’t many clubs who would have most of the ground singing in support after going one down inside five minutes. 

[Johnnyrotten]

28 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:

Still think those two were on a plate for Charles, but it’s a fair point that Ashworth might have been coming in on that angle, too. It was how Dapo scored a fair chunk of his goals in the days of 4-5-1/4-3-3

Declan John got a few of those type too, talking of wingbacks getting into the box.

[Hoppy]

I think the cheers for the long ball goal kick was frustration from the crowd you could see tapping it around at the back was putting pressure on the back line which hasn't played together. Barnsley did drop back they did win some in the air but you must be prepared to win the second ball you see it in some PREM games how high press leads to mistakes when playing short.You sometimes need to do something different football is not always percentage play it's not maths

[kent_white]

We knock the ball long quite regularly nowadays, especially in the first half with Dion and Vic on, asking them to chase it over the top. 

[Zico]

2 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

As you say, it will be interesting to see how much individuality Collins can get away with!

also interesting is the high amount of assists collins has, and yesterday suggested perhaps why

[Stig]

This slow passing at the back is completely pointless. If anything it's doing the opposite of its intention and giving the opposition a breather, to then press us into a mistake. Carbon copy of the Wigan game, apart from poorer finishing/good saves and if it had finished 4 nil would anyone on here have said that was undeserved?

We need an option up front where the ball will stick, so the players can ignore Evatt and play it more direct if the situation demands it. At the minute if they ignore the tactic we lose the ball immediately with Charles and Vic, so slow passing at the back it is, until we make a mistake. Infuriating.

Best squad in the league, so we should be going up in the autos (I don't rate our mentality holding up in the play offs) 

[Stig]

19 minutes ago, TM Trotter said:

Glad Evatt has called out our fanbase for howling bloody murder during the difficult period of the 2nd half. 

If that was an away game, there would be grumbles, sure, but I'm certain there would be more supportive noises than whatever that mob lynching was. How are the players supposed to reset and focus with thousands of their own "fans" screaming every decision they make?

That cheer for the long ball was up there as one of the most embarrassing moments I've felt as a Wanderer; and that includes the thumping at Accrington. Especially pathetic as said long ball still just gave Barnsley possession. 

I disagree. The players were making the same basic mistakes over and over, giving Barnsley chances. What do you expect the fans to do, cheer the fact we're trying (and failing) to play nice football, or tell the players in no uncertain terms to go back to basics.

This obsession with playing football the right way is Evatt's biggest downfall. Need flexibility to read the opponent/situation and adjust. This isn't me saying let's go long ball as we're not cut out for it, but something a bit more direct would be great at times.

And tbh, the slow passing around at the back isn't what good possession teams do anyway

[Zico]

Just now, Stig said:

I disagree. The players were making the same basic mistakes over and over, giving Barnsley chances. What do you expect the fans to do, cheer the fact we're trying (and failing) to play nice football, or tell the players in no uncertain terms to go back to basics.

correct

to expect us to sit back and not voice displeasure at the bumming we were bringing on ourselves is a bit mental

 

[Greg_BWFC]

Think a lot of the crowds anxiety (well, mine anyway 😄), comes from not wanting to see us fuck up the great position we're in.

If we weren't good enough, fine, but we clearly are.

Yesterday was us bringing pressure on ourselves. 

Not for one minute suggesting we should abandon our way of playing, just individual bits of play sometimes need a bit of pragmatism. 

Eg, if Baxter lumps it down the field, sure, Barnsley probably get the ball, 70 yards from our goal rather than 20 leading to one on one's where we're lucky not to concede.

We'll be reet, once the team gets settled again, expect us to pick up the points we need. 

[Pidd.1204]

4 hours ago, Casino said:

I think youre right, well done

Maybe baxter wouldve done yesterday if we had a sub?

Perhaps as well we didnt

fwiw, id have a sub, but the stats dont back that up

 

Did we have a sub keeper for the play off games?

 

We had super dixon on the bench if memory serves me correct.

[Stig]

16 hours ago, Biggish Dave said:

Not read back but Charles and Vic offered nothing for us today. Dempsey must have pulled 3 or 4 chances across the face for them to tap in.

Bod is very intelligent and a great sub. Collins made some good runs and had a couple of decent efforts from distance too - we'll soon knock that out of him. Belting cross for the goal too.

Oh, and them who deride CMG - just look what's happened to Ashworth when he has a run of games. MOTM (or POYM for wankers) 2 games running now. Looks quality.

Maybe give CMG a chance too hey or is that not the Bolton way

Problem for CMG is I don't know where he'd play in a 532/352 system, unless it's another wing back experiment... He'd weaken the midfield too much in the 3 and he's not a striker, and against too much competition anyway there.

Wondered why we'd signed him at the time as he'd work well in a 433/4231 in one of the wide forward positions, but no possible chance of formation change.

[Traf]

6 minutes ago, Stig said:

Problem for CMG is I don't know where he'd play in a 532/352 system, unless it's another wing back experiment... He'd weaken the midfield too much in the 3 and he's not a striker, and against too much competition anyway there.

Wondered why we'd signed him at the time as he'd work well in a 433/4231 in one of the wide forward positions, but no possible chance of formation change.

Would he weaken the midfield any more than Maghoma?

[Big E]

I didn’t think our support was that bad. 
 

I found it funny evatt shouting fuck off when people cheered the long ball. 
 

the main issue I had with the crowd is a bellend in West lower 2 seats to the right of the directors box. Shouting at the ref / linesman / 4th official all game. He was a true embarrassment to our fan base. 

[Ani]

Evatt giving an interview that knocks the fans is pathetic. Over 20k on yesterday it is those fans who are paying money that allows to spend more than other clubs.

But... that is not to say 'the customer is always right' the crowd were reacting to a comical period of play. We spent 20 minutes creating chance after chance for Barnsley and were lucky to be in the game. No problem with building from the back but constantly playing balls into players who were under pressure was not working. If Evatt thinks people are just going to sit there and pretend that all is ok he is deluded. 
The ref was letting a lot of niggly tackles go, I thought there 2-3 times when a foul could have been given, but they were nt but we kept doing the same thing. (Definition of madness ?) . The chaos was summed by the time Paris ran into the ref. All 3 midfielders were coming short, we only had 2 other players upfield to play to ball to.  
IMO Barnsley targetted Sheehan and were all over him, lots of fouls some given, some not. Again the balls we were playing into him made it easy, either they won the ball or worse case they give away a foul on edge of our area. 
Fans will react to what they see before them and it was awful for that period, if Evatt does not get that he is in the wrong job. 
 

On the keeper as a sub, if you have made 3 subs and used your slots of your keeper gets injured are you allowed an extra one ? 

[onefinfrandsen]

17 minutes ago, Greg_BWFC said:

Think a lot of the crowds anxiety (well, mine anyway 😄), comes from not wanting to see us fuck up the great position we're in.

If we weren't good enough, fine, but we clearly are.

Yesterday was us bringing pressure on ourselves. 

Not for one minute suggesting we should abandon our way of playing, just individual bits of play sometimes need a bit of pragmatism. 

Eg, if Baxter lumps it down the field, sure, Barnsley probably get the ball, 70 yards from our goal rather than 20 leading to one on one's where we're lucky not to concede.

We'll be reet, once the team gets settled again, expect us to pick up the points we need. 

Can see why Barnsley have the best away record in the league ( only lost to derby), add in our defensive changes yesterday . It was a bloody good point all things considered.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

7 minutes ago, Ani said:

Evatt giving an interview that knocks the fans is pathetic. Over 20k on yesterday it is those fans who are paying money that allows to spend more than other clubs.

But... that is not to say 'the customer is always right' the crowd were reacting to a comical period of play. We spent 20 minutes creating chance after chance for Barnsley and were lucky to be in the game. No problem with building from the back but constantly playing balls into players who were under pressure was not working. If Evatt thinks people are just going to sit there and pretend that all is ok he is deluded. 
The ref was letting a lot of niggly tackles go, I thought there 2-3 times when a foul could have been given, but they were nt but we kept doing the same thing. (Definition of madness ?) . The chaos was summed by the time Paris ran into the ref. All 3 midfielders were coming short, we only had 2 other players upfield to play to ball to.  
IMO Barnsley targetted Sheehan and were all over him, lots of fouls some given, some not. Again the balls we were playing into him made it easy, either they won the ball or worse case they give away a foul on edge of our area. 
Fans will react to what they see before them and it was awful for that period, if Evatt does not get that he is in the wrong job. 
 

On the keeper as a sub, if you have made 3 subs and used your slots of your keeper gets injured are you allowed an extra one ? 

A good post

I'm all in favour of us building from the back but I recall claiming in the past that if we're being pressed high it wasn't working he likes to go long to exploit the space further up the pitch

It was clear yesterday for a good period we were struggling to get out

[Greg_BWFC]

1 minute ago, onefinfrandsen said:

Can see why Barnsley have the best away record in the league ( only lost to derby), add in our defensive changes yesterday . It was a bloody good point all things considered.

It was.

Other than the crazy 10 minutes or so, I thought we were the better team but that could've been the game gone.

Said earlier but I think we'll beat them at theirs 

[Steejay]

2 hours ago, radcliffe white said:

Can’t see what part Gomes will play tbh It was the type of game crying out for some individual magic thought this guy might do that 

 

Yep, that's what we were saying too.

Could have swapped Maghoma & CMG for the last 15 minutes. Maghoma was knackered & doesn't contribute defensively, so nothing to lose.