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Don't not know how or why this happened but we were let down big time. Even the buzz with the fans before KO didn't have its feel. Maybe our trip to Wembley last year had a bearing on how things developed. The worst thing about the whole day was that Oxford weren't even that good. We've done teams like Oxford (and Oxford) all season - grrrrrr!

One of the worst playoff finals I've ever seen. The manner of this defeat will take me a quiet a bit to get over. Not in my top 4 disappointments but it's not far from it.

The release and retain list will be very interesting.

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Think someone posted the budgets for last season and we were something like 5th highest.

This season I'd guess we were comfortably in the top 3.

Two worrying aspects if so:

1. we've not 'outperformed' our budget in the last couple of years

2. we may be nowhere near top 3 budget-wise next season.

 

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11 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

@Leyther_Matt I think you're doing Maghoma a disservice

That challenge almost snapped his leg

Set the tone of the game for me. The Refs. reaction also. (SKD would have been proud of it.) Interesting to know what the pundits on tv said about it. 

It wasn’t the only reason of course but it showed their commitment right from the off.

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6 minutes ago, batton carrier said:

Did u mention the fact that they are celebrating selling 1k season tickets.have a shit fan base,almost zero relevant history,an owner who has no interest in them and they are basically tenants in the ground they share with a rugby league team that gets more fans than they do.

Or did you just tell him to get to fuck

What do you think 😂

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3 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Set the tone of the game for me. The Refs. reaction also. (SKD would have been proud of it.) Interesting to know what the pundits on tv said about it. 

It wasn’t the only reason of course but it showed their commitment right from the off.

Yes, but Maghoma wasn't being a soft arse about it

He took a sore one

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25 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:

Tried to avoid posting last night because it’s hard to be rational after such a draining, emotional day (although I did try my best when having the pleasure of bumping in to the @tomski plan in some mad, hidden tapas bar near Kings Cross)

Overall, a team who literally has one or two players gain pass marks out of the entire squad is never, ever going to win a game. Hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard and all that.

We did so well against Plymouth - and the first leg at Barnsley - because we played with purpose, tempo and intensity. Not necessarily direct, but every pass was with a goal of running the opposition about, creating space and ultimately creating chances.

Once you’re in a pattern of players being sluggish in possession then it’s really hard to snap out of that, and good god the sight of Santos and Toal just passing between themselves (after a bout of ‘foot on the ball’, of course) was just harrowing.

Oxford came with a plan to smother our midfield and carried it out to a tee. Ogbeta had the freedom of Wembley in the first half, and Oxford genuinely didn’t seem to know how to cope with him on the occasions he did get the chance to have a go at them, but they were so few and far between that they had plenty of chance to work out how to cope. It was almost as if they’d been training with Williams there for 10 days and didn’t want to give it to the last minute replacement because he was last pick on the schoolyard by default.

Not seen anything back (nor am I planning to) so not seen a replay of the initial challenge on Maghoma, but to be honest it just gave me the impression that he wasn’t up for the scrap. Managing to get through 45 minutes, come out at half time and then decide another 90 seconds was more than enough didn’t do much to dissuade that thought. He might have genuinely been injured, in which case he should have been dragged off much earlier, but his attitude didn’t exactly smack of running through walls to get the job done.

The lack of leadership from Santos was staggering, and this play off run has shown the best and worst of him, and then some. Imperious in the first leg and then a nervous wreck in the second leg. Once he put his foot on top of the ball for the first time yesterday, you just knew, didn’t you?

All that talk of the Wembley pitch suiting us to stretch the play, and we had to watch ‘to me, to you’ for most of the game.

I still believe in the Evatt project, albeit largely by default because so much has been invested in to it, and I don’t think any of us really know what the next step would be. But a manager, and by extension his captain, has to be reflective of his team, and currently that it is wildly irrational, inconsistent, and just outright baffling at times. No chance he’s getting sacked, but he looked a broken man at times in the last few weeks and you wonder whether he’s got the stomach for another tip at it.

The parallels with the Watford game were just staggering. We had a world class player that afternoon in Gudjohnsen who saved that final for the worst game of his life, and it felt like they all did the same yesterday.

I don’t think I even felt that angry yesterday. I just felt deflated, let down, empty. I’ll be glad for the break, that’s for sure.

Just on an off-field note, it really wasn’t a pleasant atmosphere for a lot of the game. I know it was never going to be enjoyable given the result, but I couldn’t believe how many people were absolutely off their face well before kick off, and it was no wonder there were pockets of people kicking off with each other all over the place. Bet some of the coach journeys home were grim as fuck. Managed to have a good day of it all the same, minus the 90 minutes, and the pubs at the back of Euston Road nearer to Kings Cross were absolutely outstanding.

/end waffle

Well worth you waiting, a really good post 👍

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25 minutes ago, Rizlar said:

FFS my Wigan supporting neighbour just collard me his comments bottled it again 6 points guaranteed next season for them and please don’t sack Evatt he inspires us to beat you !! 

Me too, one of my mates sent me some WhatsApp messages taking the piss after the game, it's not funny.

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Just now, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Yes, but Maghoma wasn't being a soft arse about it

He took a sore one

Aye Foot folded under their players foot. Though he might have broke it at first glance given the speed their player flew into the tackle.

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Few neutrals I know who watched the game said it was fucking dire as a spectacle from 1-90.

Crewe lad I know who’s on his way down this morning said Bolton looked like a team of strangers and Oxford couldn’t believe their luck.

Sums it up about reet

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26 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Set the tone of the game for me. The Refs. reaction also. (SKD would have been proud of it.) Interesting to know what the pundits on tv said about it. 

It wasn’t the only reason of course but it showed their commitment right from the off.

They were evidently told to see what they could get away with in first 20 mins, while ref was in Wembley final leniency mode. They got away with enough to soften us up good and proper.

In that tackle he got the ball but properly took the opportunity to go in hard and caught Maghoma's left ankle with his left foot as he followed through. Nasty one and did the trick for them

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40 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

@Leyther_Matt I think you're doing Maghoma a disservice

That challenge almost snapped his leg

21 minutes ago, deeane Koontz said:

Aye Foot folded under their players foot. Though he might have broke it at first glance given the speed their player flew into the tackle.

Like I said, not seen it back so I may well have been harsh on him. But on viewing at the time, there was certainly only one player going in to that challenge with any conviction. 

21 minutes ago, Blondi said:

Me too, one of my mates sent me some WhatsApp messages taking the piss after the game, it's not funny.

I’ve had a couple of Latics and a Blackpool fan. Sympathy from others. Not sure which is worse tbh. 

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30 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Set the tone of the game for me. The Refs. reaction also. (SKD would have been proud of it.) Interesting to know what the pundits on tv said about it. 

It wasn’t the only reason of course but it showed their commitment right from the off.

When I gave details of the ref, I mentioned his card record, and their potential shithousery.

Inevitable, but we have to be able to combat it- it happened a lot throughout the season, and we have a number who can't seem to cope.

Not Maghoma's fault he copped for one early doors.

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1 minute ago, ianofcleveleys said:

They were evidently told to see what they could get away with in first 20 mins, while ref was in Wembley final leniency mode. They got away with enough to soften us up good and proper.

In that tackle he got the ball but properly took the opportunity to go in hard and caught Maghoma's left ankle with his left foot as he followed through. Nasty one and did the trick for them

That ‘Wembley final leniency’ absolutely put us on the back foot. Our players looked scared to death of where and when the next Exocet-style challenge was coming. Even if Oxford players were getting the ball they were making pretty damned sure they got the player a nanosecond later!; A foul in my book.

Did VAR actually get used? I was pretty sure an early second half cut back resulted in a handball but received a corner. Did they actually look at it? (I’ve not bothered watching the recording yet.)

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1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

That's not what she said though, is it.

Neither in completeness nor context.

Not in the slightest but folks see what they want to see and use that to back up their 'argument'

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Just now, MickyD said:

That ‘Wembley final leniency’ absolutely put us on the back foot. Our players looked scared to death of where and when the next Exocet-style challenge was coming. Even if Oxford players were getting the ball they were making pretty damned sure they got the player a nanosecond later!; A foul in my book.

Did VAR actually get used? I was pretty sure an early second half cut back resulted in a handball but received a corner. Did they actually look at it? (I’ve not bothered watching the recording yet.)

Foul in the build-up to the second goal and a handball, both looked obvious but VAR didn't seem interested.

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1 minute ago, MickyD said:

That ‘Wembley final leniency’ absolutely put us on the back foot. Our players looked scared to death of where and when the next Exocet-style challenge was coming. Even if Oxford players were getting the ball they were making pretty damned sure they got the player a nanosecond later!; A foul in my book.

Did VAR actually get used? I was pretty sure an early second half cut back resulted in a handball but received a corner. Did they actually look at it? (I’ve not bothered watching the recording yet.)

Referee put his finger to his ear at the time so was presumably checked. Same with their second goal and the possibility of an offside. 

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1 minute ago, Leyther_Matt said:

Referee put his finger to his ear at the time so was presumably checked. Same with their second goal and the possibility of an offside. 

Definitely onside but a pretty obvious foul as well. 

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Had nothing but sympathy off Blackpool fans and the likes. Probably makes it worse.

Gonna take me a long time to get over this.

I can live with going down swinging but to be walking about at 2-0 down and sheer lack of urgency throughout will live long in the memory. 

The players and manager 2nd best all day.

Utterly deflating.

Hope every single one of them is suffering as much as we are this morning.

My apologies to the bloke I had a row with at full time. Made myself look a right tit but that's what these fuckers do to you.

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1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Gomes can do that… spend any spare on a hard bastard in midfield who been there done that. 

Forgot about Gomes but I'd still like to see maghoma back but agree we need a proper twat in midfield 

In fact after yesterday they can all fuck off including Evatt I'm sick to death of the gutless bastard's 

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1 hour ago, Leyther_Matt said:

Tried to avoid posting last night because it’s hard to be rational after such a draining, emotional day (although I did try my best when having the pleasure of bumping in to the @tomski plan in some mad, hidden tapas bar near Kings Cross)

Overall, a team who literally has one or two players gain pass marks out of the entire squad is never, ever going to win a game. Hard work beats talent when talent doesn’t work hard and all that.

We did so well against Plymouth - and the first leg at Barnsley - because we played with purpose, tempo and intensity. Not necessarily direct, but every pass was with a goal of running the opposition about, creating space and ultimately creating chances.

Once you’re in a pattern of players being sluggish in possession then it’s really hard to snap out of that, and good god the sight of Santos and Toal just passing between themselves (after a bout of ‘foot on the ball’, of course) was just harrowing.

Oxford came with a plan to smother our midfield and carried it out to a tee. Ogbeta had the freedom of Wembley in the first half, and Oxford genuinely didn’t seem to know how to cope with him on the occasions he did get the chance to have a go at them, but they were so few and far between that they had plenty of chance to work out how to cope. It was almost as if they’d been training with Williams there for 10 days and didn’t want to give it to the last minute replacement because he was last pick on the schoolyard by default.

Not seen anything back (nor am I planning to) so not seen a replay of the initial challenge on Maghoma, but to be honest it just gave me the impression that he wasn’t up for the scrap. Managing to get through 45 minutes, come out at half time and then decide another 90 seconds was more than enough didn’t do much to dissuade that thought. He might have genuinely been injured, in which case he should have been dragged off much earlier, but his attitude didn’t exactly smack of running through walls to get the job done.

The lack of leadership from Santos was staggering, and this play off run has shown the best and worst of him, and then some. Imperious in the first leg and then a nervous wreck in the second leg. Once he put his foot on top of the ball for the first time yesterday, you just knew, didn’t you?

All that talk of the Wembley pitch suiting us to stretch the play, and we had to watch ‘to me, to you’ for most of the game.

I still believe in the Evatt project, albeit largely by default because so much has been invested in to it, and I don’t think any of us really know what the next step would be. But a manager, and by extension his captain, has to be reflective of his team, and currently that it is wildly irrational, inconsistent, and just outright baffling at times. No chance he’s getting sacked, but he looked a broken man at times in the last few weeks and you wonder whether he’s got the stomach for another tip at it.

The parallels with the Watford game were just staggering. We had a world class player that afternoon in Gudjohnsen who saved that final for the worst game of his life, and it felt like they all did the same yesterday.

I don’t think I even felt that angry yesterday. I just felt deflated, let down, empty. I’ll be glad for the break, that’s for sure.

Just on an off-field note, it really wasn’t a pleasant atmosphere for a lot of the game. I know it was never going to be enjoyable given the result, but I couldn’t believe how many people were absolutely off their face well before kick off, and it was no wonder there were pockets of people kicking off with each other all over the place. Bet some of the coach journeys home were grim as fuck. Managed to have a good day of it all the same, minus the 90 minutes, and the pubs at the back of Euston Road nearer to Kings Cross were absolutely outstanding.

/end waffle

Good post. FWIW if we had started with Jerome and gone long with Collins and Charles playing off him that would have been interesting because we just couldn’t get out of our own half.  Agree on Santos though. He set the tone for our lethargy.

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