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59 minutes ago, Stig said:

That's a really good analysis, it was shockingly easy.

I've said it a few times but 532/352 struggles against this kind of set up. Evatt has to acknowledge it and switch to a 433 and get the ball forward faster.

And sign/play some wingers 😀 

I just can't see a scenario where only 2 out of our 7 or whatever CBs start a game, its not happening under IE.

Although I don't care what formation we play as long as we can improve our ability to break down the better sides, that's for IE to sort out, whether its formations/tactics or better players.  An easy one to start with though would be not bringing 11 back at corners, and those that are defending to mark players rather spaces.

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32 minutes ago, Zico said:

Is that an in game switch to 433 or start every game 433 you reckon?

In game switch. I prefer 433 but no need to ditch 532 completely as it's served us well and gets results against the lower teams and definitely suits the strength of the squad.

Where it doesn't work is either against a team like Oxford who allow Santos to have the ball but press everyone else so they slow us down but are ready for quick counter attacks (we saw it against Shrewsbury and Wigan away also), or a team that can do a really effective high press and then it looks chaotic as we get penned in.

On both of these if you switch to a 433 we can immediately get an overlap going down the flanks which just creates a different problem for the opposition to deal with. Might not work every time but is surely better than staying rigidly in the same system when it's not going well?

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33 minutes ago, perth_white said:

If we face similar tactics taking off a CH and playing Vic, Charles and Collins would give the opposition a different thing to think about.

But the game's effectively already lost at that stage if we are behind, we aren't going to suddenly turn into a completely different team - it will still be essentially the same personnel playing the same passing style.  I'm not suggesting its easy against the good teams but far better to get on the front foot from the start like we generally do against the bottom half teams.  If we're ahead, let the other team have the problem of how to break us down rather than it always being us chasing the game in the last half hour.

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3 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

And sign/play some wingers 😀 

I just can't see a scenario where only 2 out of our 7 or whatever CBs start a game, its not happening under IE.

Although I don't care what formation we play as long as we can improve our ability to break down the better sides, that's for IE to sort out, whether its formations/tactics or better players.  An easy one to start with though would be not bringing 11 back at corners, and those that are defending to mark players rather spaces.

Having even one winger in the squad should be a must this summer to allow a formation change if and when needed.

As Perth white has said, you could do it with Charles, Collins and Vic as a more central front 3 but I think they'd get in one another's space, and if Charles is central the 2 either side aren't exactly fast.

One pacy winger needed to give the option of Charles with Collins and winger either side.

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5 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

But the game's effectively already lost at that stage if we are behind, we aren't going to suddenly turn into a completely different team - it will still be essentially the same personnel playing the same passing style.  I'm not suggesting its easy against the good teams but far better to get on the front foot from the start like we generally do against the bottom half teams.  If we're ahead, let the other team have the problem of how to break us down rather than it always being us chasing the game in the last half hour.

Get ahead in the game, so simple, why didn't I (or Evatt) think of that? I'm not saying my ideas are any good, would just be nice to see a variation when we're getting nowhere.

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1 minute ago, Stig said:

Having even one winger in the squad should be a must this summer to allow a formation change if and when needed.

As Perth white has said, you could do it with Charles, Collins and Vic as a more central front 3 but I think they'd get in one another's space, and if Charles is central the 2 either side aren't exactly fast.

One pacy winger needed to give the option of Charles with Collins and winger either side.

I'd be absolutely amazed if we signed a winger - it would be a tough sell to get anyone half decent when they know they won't be starting games.  I'm repeating myself but no problem with IE staying and improving us if that's what the board decide but thoughts of IE staying and signing proper full backs and or proper wingers just seem naive, surely nobody still has any doubts  about his formations.  He will try to get better at what he does, with maybe less injuries to key players, better luck/refs occasionally, and better form from some players, all of which are possible.

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2 minutes ago, perth_white said:

Get ahead in the game, so simple, why didn't I (or Evatt) think of that? I'm not saying my ideas are any good, would just be nice to see a variation when we're getting nowhere.

Sorry I didn't mean it to sound simple, I just meant don't leave the option of surprising the opposition till the time in the game when we're desperate for a goal.  Surprise them from the start occasionally, try to get ahead, it won't always work but I've seen enough evidence of IE teams to know that once we're behind in a bigger game, 9 times out of 10 we don't have the players to unlock a team that's set up to purely defend.

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23 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I'd be absolutely amazed if we signed a winger - it would be a tough sell to get anyone half decent when they know they won't be starting games.  I'm repeating myself but no problem with IE staying and improving us if that's what the board decide but thoughts of IE staying and signing proper full backs and or proper wingers just seem naive, surely nobody still has any doubts  about his formations.  He will try to get better at what he does, with maybe less injuries to key players, better luck/refs occasionally, and better form from some players, all of which are possible.

Oh I agree unfortunately. I'm just saying what I think we should do. Would be a major about turn for Evatt to show this flexibility 

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20 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Sorry I didn't mean it to sound simple, I just meant don't leave the option of surprising the opposition till the time in the game when we're desperate for a goal.  Surprise them from the start occasionally, try to get ahead, it won't always work but I've seen enough evidence of IE teams to know that once we're behind in a bigger game, 9 times out of 10 we don't have the players to unlock a team that's set up to purely defend.

At times last season I was flabbergasted if teams came to the Reebok and played openly and tried to attack. 

Oxford home a prime example. Remember thinking 5 mins in what the fuck are they thinking here, as if you'd bowl up here and try and play open expansive football. 

Evatt needs to figure out that we aren't Man City and trusting the process till the bitter end doesn't work. 

Like Daz says, teams will pack the midfield and pick us off from the off next season. 

 

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On 09/05/2024 at 12:19, Cheese said:

Tickets and coach booked. Fucking dreading it already. Added those lanyard things too as I'm a proper mug.

Still haven't received these fucking things.

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1 minute ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

That really is a pisstake

It's a month from the final now

Only want them so I can put them in a frame with my lads signed shirt. Just sent them an email. 😡

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6 minutes ago, radcliffe white said:

I wouldn’t want any reminders of that game tbh 

Me neither really, but it fucking irks knowing I paid for them. Like rubbing salt in the wound.

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On 18/06/2024 at 20:29, Cheese said:

Still haven't received these fucking things.

Just seen it's down to ticket master, they are saying you should get them within the next 2 weeks 

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Just now, 1969 said:

Just seen it's down to ticket master, they are saying you should get them within the next 2 weeks 

Aye, just received a reply from the ticket office:

 

Good morning.

Thank you for your email.

We’ve been informed by Ticketmaster that they have experienced delays in getting them produced, for all clubs in the EFL Play-Offs. This is a new product they have started to offer their clients.

They informed us in the first instance that they would be delivered to all supporters who ordered them, the week following the final.

This has subsequently taken much longer than they originally stated to us. We have raised our concerns with them and pointed out that the service they have offered our supporters is not of the standard we would come to expect.

Rest assured; Ticketmaster have confirmed that they will all be sent out in the next couple of weeks.

Apologies for this delay but it is totally outside of our control at this point.

Best Regards

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17 hours ago, Traf said:

Loads of play-off merchandise reduced in the club shop...

Begs the question, why? Just why? Doubt you'd be able to raffle the stuff. Surely no-one wants to buy anything that was connected to that day. Goes against the natural, correct,  action of trying to erase from memory. 

I understand Cheese wants his medallions (still dont know what they are), to go with the memory of the shirt his lad got, fair play nice memory. Other than that, who's paying for that. 

 

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Spelling, shouldn't be up this earlier on a Sunday.
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2 hours ago, boogs said:

Begs the question, why? Just why? Doubt you'd be able to raffle the stuff. Surely no-one wants to buy anything that was connected to that day. Goes against the natural, correct,  action of trying to erase from memory. 

I understand Cheese wants his medallions (still dont know what they are), to go with the memory of the shirt his lad got, fair play nice memory. Other than that, who's paying for that. 

 

That’s the gamble I suppose. I’ve now got a white bucket hat that will never be flipped again… suddenly realised I’m likely to bump into a load of Oxford day trippers today 😭

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On 20/06/2024 at 12:25, Cheese said:

Aye, just received a reply from the ticket office:

 

Good morning.

Thank you for your email.

We’ve been informed by Ticketmaster that they have experienced delays in getting them produced, for all clubs in the EFL Play-Offs. This is a new product they have started to offer their clients.

They informed us in the first instance that they would be delivered to all supporters who ordered them, the week following the final.

This has subsequently taken much longer than they originally stated to us. We have raised our concerns with them and pointed out that the service they have offered our supporters is not of the standard we would come to expect.

Rest assured; Ticketmaster have confirmed that they will all be sent out in the next couple of weeks.

Apologies for this delay but it is totally outside of our control at this point.

Best Regards

Well Ticketmaster are a bunch of lying rip-off cunts because I STILL haven't received the fucking things.

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12 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Well Ticketmaster are a bunch of lying rip-off cunts because I STILL haven't received the fucking things.

Do a chargeback. Fuck Ticketmaster

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