Popular Post L/H White Posted September 6 Popular Post Share Posted September 6 5 hours ago, Eavesy said: The loss of Trafford and Bradley shouldn’t be underestimated. Baxter is a cracking keeper but he can’t deal with the ball like Trafford could. Which leads to more pressure on the centre backs to play out and one less man to ‘play with’ at the back as Trafford could get involved. Which then leads to deeper centre backs and more fuck ups. Bradley was a right back. Right wing back. And a right winger all in one. He got us up the pitch one way or another. Baxter is better than Traf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rival Son Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 That’s a big call, but I do agree that we’re not diminished with Baxter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 Kieron Lee was a huge talent too.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waffer cup 07 Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 Trafford improved a lot as he gained experience, but was prone to mistakes in his early days. Baxter is already got experience and it shows, he's a very good keeper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimron Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 I liked Trafford from day one... I liked his attitude and arrogance when confronted with the opposition, that attitude permeated through the defence and built confidence... it was very much "I am Premier League and getting some game time with you lads, watch me" I also respect Baxter and I believe he is doing good work but a different character Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimron Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 24 minutes ago, gonzo said: Kieron Lee was a huge talent too.. Peter Kioso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Steejay Posted September 6 Site Supporter Share Posted September 6 28 minutes ago, gonzo said: Kieron Lee was a huge talent too.. We miss him so much 😞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 49 minutes ago, gonzo said: Kieron Lee was a huge talent too.. Sheehan ain’t fit to lace his boots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 1 hour ago, L/H White said: Baxter is better than Traf I think Baxter is very good but he’s nowhere near Trafford levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 1 hour ago, gonzo said: Kieron Lee was a huge talent too.. Never replaced his ability and understanding of the game for me. He made us tick - everything went through him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 I liked Lee but think we are over doing it just a tad😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stig Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 2 hours ago, L/H White said: Baxter is better than Traf Give over. And that's not having a pop at Baxter. Trafford was a different level for this division and clearly should have been playing much higher. Baxter is top of this division and should be in the championship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 14 minutes ago, Stig said: Give over. And that's not having a pop at Baxter. Trafford was a different level for this division and clearly should have been playing much higher. Baxter is top of this division and should be in the championship I like both. If I had to plump Baxter is better. I may be swayed by the fact we own him. There’s not much in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MancWanderer Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 28 minutes ago, tomski said: I like both. If I had to plump Baxter is better. I may be swayed by the fact we own him. There’s not much in it Yeah not much in it but I’d say Traf is a better keeper. Prem quality. Baxter is good and as you say ours. More than happy to have Baxter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 Trafford isn't PL quality as demonstrated several times last season. Decent Championship keeper, mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L/H White Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 (edited) 8 hours ago, Stig said: Give over. And that's not having a pop at Baxter. Trafford was a different level for this division and clearly should have been playing much higher. Baxter is top of this division and should be in the championship If we wouldn't have froze at wembley they'd have been playing at the same level this year If Komoany wasn't at Burnley / ex city he'd have never ended up in the prem where I'm sure he was eventually dropped Edited September 7 by L/H White Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 On 06/09/2024 at 10:57, gonzo said: Bod scores at Derby, Charles scores at Pompey we get promoted. I think even if Derby's keeper hadn't saved Bod's header, and if Charles had put his open goal away, I'm struggling to imagine an IE side holding onto a lead for an hour or so at 2 top L1 sides. I'd love to be wrong, we might take the lead at Birmingham or Huddersfield this season but we would retreat, invite pressure, 11 back at corners, take forward players off, stop crossing the halfway line. Us scoring a couple of chances and therefore finishing 2nd is a long way from reality and for me ignores IEs inability to win the big games, whoever scores the first goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted September 7 Share Posted September 7 4 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said: I think even if Derby's keeper hadn't saved Bod's header, and if Charles had put his open goal away, I'm struggling to imagine an IE side holding onto a lead for an hour or so at 2 top L1 sides. I'd love to be wrong, we might take the lead at Birmingham or Huddersfield this season but we would retreat, invite pressure, 11 back at corners, take forward players off, stop crossing the halfway line. Us scoring a couple of chances and therefore finishing 2nd is a long way from reality and for me ignores IEs inability to win the big games, whoever scores the first goal. Did you go to Derby ? They hardly had a kick. IE gets a lot of deserved criticism but Derby we played well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogs Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 1 hour ago, Ani said: Did you go to Derby ? They hardly had a kick. IE gets a lot of deserved criticism but Derby we played well. Bang on. Of all the aways I did last season, it was the one that I came away most disappointed and gutted about. And I'm including Stevenage in that 😫 Got what we deserved at Stevenage (nothing) but Derby felt like an injustice, which is harder to take in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 On 06/09/2024 at 09:57, Whitesince63 said: Surely all teams play out from the back it’s just the way you do it. I can’t think of any team now where the keeper always hoofs the ball forward, even lowly teams don’t do that but this culture of standing two Centre backs on the 6 yard box is to me madness and only invites pressure as any outlets are immediately blocked. I can understand the bit about having possession but surely it only really counts in the final third not your own? A lost art seems to be a keeper throwing the ball out to start a move and mixing it up a bit, you see so little of that now. The crazy thing to me is that the solution doesn’t seem so difficult to arrive at yet managers like IE either can’t or won’t see it. The mantra of "we need to do what we're doing, only do it better" is wearing a bit thin now. We're 4 games into the season and even though Evatt has tried to put a positive spin on the games, he must be incredibly disappointed and he must see that something is wrong given the players that he has - and they aren't bad players. Evatt must surely analyse the shit out of every game and with time to regroup I'm expecting to see some tweaks for the Huddersfield match, but there is no way he'll change the way we play IMO, regardless of the pressure he is under. Absolutely no idea of what tweaks he'll make but he will surely tweak something. He has to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter desperado Posted September 8 Author Site Supporter Share Posted September 8 6 hours ago, Wanderlust said: The mantra of "we need to do what we're doing, only do it better" is wearing a bit thin now. We're 4 games into the season and even though Evatt has tried to put a positive spin on the games, he must be incredibly disappointed and he must see that something is wrong given the players that he has - and they aren't bad players. Evatt must surely analyse the shit out of every game and with time to regroup I'm expecting to see some tweaks for the Huddersfield match, but there is no way he'll change the way we play IMO, regardless of the pressure he is under. Absolutely no idea of what tweaks he'll make but he will surely tweak something. He has to. It will be the tweak (if you can call it that) that we saw more at Barrow, where Dempsey is more of a hybrid between that forward/midfield role. He seemed to have more license to roam and come deeper if needed. Other than that, I can’t see it changing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 Sheehan & Charles will be back in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rival Son Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 (edited) Perhaps so and, that being the case, Sheehan should replace Thomason, while Charles replaces McAtee. For all his passion and drive, Thomason’s all round game is missing too much for me. Matete offers similar drive and passion, with the required additional skills. Collins and McAtee are both top League One players. However, they appear to play the same role. Perhaps rotation is the way forward for them, and we need to decide who works best with Dion and Vic, respectively. Edited September 8 by Rival Son Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 Evatt signed both Collins AND McAtee for good sums within 6m of each other. Both are good players and Collins in particular has proven his worth. If they're so similar he must have had a plan. I'd love to find out what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted September 8 Share Posted September 8 10 hours ago, Ani said: Did you go to Derby ? They hardly had a kick. IE gets a lot of deserved criticism but Derby we played well. Did we. Thought it was a classic Evatt performance with really shit subs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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