paulhanley Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 10 minutes ago, waffer cup 07 said: Unbelievable, he was a hero six months ago. Think where he's brought us from, give him some respect. He does deserve respect. This time in 5, 10, 20 years he'll bd getting it for keeps it if he just goes now. If this situation festers, he won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter victor meldrew Posted September 14 Site Supporter Share Posted September 14 (edited) 19 minutes ago, waffer cup 07 said: Unbelievable, he was a hero six months ago. Think where he's brought us from, give him some respect. I don’t recall anyone calling a hero, I have called him many things but certainly not a hero. he has taken us from league 2 to 21st in league 1. Having spent more money than any other manager since the premier league. Edited September 14 by victor meldrew Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 2 minutes ago, victor meldrew said: I don’t recall anyone calling a hero, I have called him many things but certainly not a hero. Laughable hero Jesus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 25 minutes ago, Big E said: I wouldn’t say weak man as that implies a whole host of shit that doesn’t need to be. What he is however is a lower league manager. My mates dad was a ref for his league when he was at barrow. He doesn’t have one good word to say about him Nah he’s weak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gonzo Posted September 14 Popular Post Share Posted September 14 20 minutes ago, Kane57 said: You're insane. Fuck him Ffs come on. Just about respect isn't it. The blokes done his best and probably made himself ill in the process. He very nearly got us there. So close. It was a perfect storm that stopped us going up and this season is/was probably a season too far. But overall he's done us well. He certainly doesn't deserve the probable hound out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjhb Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 1 minute ago, gonzo said: Ffs come on. Just about respect isn't it. The blokes done his best and probably made himself ill in the process. He very nearly got us there. So close. It was a perfect storm that stopped us going up and this season is/was probably a season too far. But overall he's done us well. He certainly doesn't deserve the probable hound out. You could equally argue not going up last season was missing an open goal from 6 yards out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg_BWFC Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 1 minute ago, gonzo said: Ffs come on. Just about respect isn't it. The blokes done his best and probably made himself ill in the process. He very nearly got us there. So close. It was a perfect storm that stopped us going up and this season is/was probably a season too far. But overall he's done us well. He certainly doesn't deserve the probable hound out. No problem with people wanting him gone, think it's time myself. But we can do it with a bit of dignity. Do I think he's a stubborn, arrogant bastard ? Well, yeah. But a cunt ? Nah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 (edited) 23 minutes ago, victor meldrew said: I don’t recall anyone calling a hero, I have called him many things but certainly not a hero. he has taken us from league 2 to 21st in league 1. Having spent more money than any other manager since the premier league. While I agree and have been vocal. I get no pleasure. I feel sad for the ones that thought he’d turn it round. Yes I think he’s a muppet and good riddance but we all want the whites to win and we win games, he stays. Nothing wrong in believing and wanting that Edited September 14 by tomski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted September 14 Members Share Posted September 14 2 minutes ago, gonzo said: Ffs come on. Just about respect isn't it. The blokes done his best and probably made himself ill in the process. He very nearly got us there. So close. It was a perfect storm that stopped us going up and this season is/was probably a season too far. But overall he's done us well. He certainly doesn't deserve the probable hound out. I've never really warmed to him personally but he's obviously given it his all for us to succeed and, barring something absolutely miraculous, has reached the end of his time here He even seems to have recognised that himself with his post-match comments about wanting "conversations" with the ownership group There's no reason we shouldn't just respectfully go our separate ways and wish him the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 2 minutes ago, jmjhb said: You could equally argue not going up last season was missing an open goal from 6 yards out. Of course it was. But it went to shit. Losing our whole front line didn't help either did it. Nobody is getting promoted from this division with Cameron Jerome and Bod up front. Nobody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjhb Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 (edited) It's been a downward spiral since January. We were losing games when they weren't in the side and all. As for having a go at the fans today, tbh I'm surprised none of them have responded with his alleged proclivity for a flutter and that nonsense with Amy. Hardly becoming for someone who claims to be a devout Christian. Too personal and irrelevant? Maybe. Edited September 14 by jmjhb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 14 Site Supporter Share Posted September 14 37 minutes ago, radcliffe white said: Not unfair at all if he was struggling then the him & the club should’ve parted after Oxford he’s a weak man It is unfair. The club perhaps should have acted, but they didn't. Thats their responsibility. Whether he is weak or not is a personal judgement and immaterial- if he is struggling and isn't well then that simply reduces his ability to do his job. it's cost me plenty previously. 37 minutes ago, Big E said: He will though as everything is the problem and not him. he is completely lost. Just because you say it works doesn’t mean it works let’s get it right he’s been given a free ride. Plenty of other managers would have been driven out by now but folk have continued to back him. He has had plenty of backing etc; no one is arguing against that. It is simply a question of whether he is struggling with his health, and how that affects his ability to so his job. We spend a lot of time on the other forum discussing mental health. We talk about the need to talk etc, and that it isn't a sign of weakness, but a sign of illness. If this is the case then it maybe for the best that he goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: It is unfair. The club perhaps should have acted, but they didn't. Thats their responsibility. Whether he is weak or not is a personal judgement and immaterial- if he is struggling and isn't well then that simply reduces his ability to do his job. it's cost me plenty previously. He has had plenty of backing etc; no one is arguing against that. It is simply a question of whether he is struggling with his health, and how that affects his ability to so his job. We spend a lot of time on the other forum discussing mental health. We talk about the need to talk etc, and that it isn't a sign of weakness, but a sign of illness. If this is the case then it maybe for the best that he goes. Let me get my violin out for IE, he’s a bully & weak man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 1 hour ago, FrancisFogarty said: 22,500 on today doesn’t say negativity to me. But there wasn't. An absolute raft of empty seats all around the stadium said negativity, if you want to go by crowd sizes. The empty seats v Exeter were because "folk are on holiday" apparently. We don't get told how many turn up, if we thought today was a poor turnout its going to be half empty v Reading, assuming no change in manager. It feels a bit cruel for us to have 3 consecutive home games currently. Even with improved form we're going to have to catch up on the aways soon, getting away from the bottom 6 could take longer than we'd hope if we don't beat Reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 19 minutes ago, gonzo said: Of course it was. But it went to shit. Losing our whole front line didn't help either did it. Nobody is getting promoted from this division with Cameron Jerome and Bod up front. Nobody. But they might when they spend millions on a front line, and still have a proven L1 striker like JDB to cover when there's an injury, and Jerome to come on and see out/improve some games. If he started any games it can only have been 1 or 2, so you're right nobody was getting promoted with CJ up front. Were there any games when IE didn't have at least one of his favoured 3 (Charles, Collins, Vic) to pick to start games? I know our opinions of JDB differ, fair enough, but I think once Charles picked up an injury for a few games you've taken that as an excuse for IE to under perform. IMO that's unrealistic, nobody plays 46 games and anyway Charles hasn't been playing well but still gets picked regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big E Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 23 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: It is unfair. The club perhaps should have acted, but they didn't. Thats their responsibility. Whether he is weak or not is a personal judgement and immaterial- if he is struggling and isn't well then that simply reduces his ability to do his job. it's cost me plenty previously. He has had plenty of backing etc; no one is arguing against that. It is simply a question of whether he is struggling with his health, and how that affects his ability to so his job. We spend a lot of time on the other forum discussing mental health. We talk about the need to talk etc, and that it isn't a sign of weakness, but a sign of illness. If this is the case then it maybe for the best that he goes. It is definitely for the best he goes. Just because you are struggling doesn’t give you a free pass. Plenty of fans could be struggling and him blaming them May tip them over the edge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big E Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 21 minutes ago, radcliffe white said: Let me get my violin out for IE, he’s a bully & weak man I’d agree he is a bully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted September 14 Share Posted September 14 23 minutes ago, Big E said: I’d agree he is a bully. Based on what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Members bolty58 Posted September 15 Members Share Posted September 15 It's time. I just hope the club acts quickly. This season still holds good potential for us if they stop burning time. There are some clear and obvious things in football. Premier League football is beyond Steve Cooper. Everton are a basket case. Ten Hag is just not going to succeed at Old Trafford (thankfully). Anything beyond League One also rans is beyond Ian Evatt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 I can't bring myself to blame him personally for everything that happened in that shitshow of a display even though it was foreseeable barring a miraculous turnaround in performances. The players have to take a lot of responsibility for that but as Evatt said in his interview, their confidence is shot although that, in part at least, comes down to him. Watching Freddie Ladapo turn out for Huddersfield this afternoon was a sickener, but his choice was understandable and justified. However, Evatt's admission that he doesn't have any answers right now is the key point for me. Plenty of answers have been suggested but everything comes back to trying to play like City with League 1 standard players and that is our dilemma. As mentioned earlier, we have recruited to play a specific style which is no longer working against the better teams and the make up of the squad makes us an unattractive proposition for any potential new manager who would prefer a different system. And having just spent a lot of money I can't see there being much if anything left in the kitty to make significant personnel changes in January which would make us even less of an attraction to an incumbent manager. Add to that the old adage of "be careful what you wish for" and there is some sort of argument for giving Evatt more time. But ultimately, just 13 wins in the last 41 games is the killer. No idea which way it will go, but it is sickening that we are once again back in this position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane57 Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 7 hours ago, gonzo said: Based on what? Bullying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big E Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 8 hours ago, gonzo said: Based on what? From what people who’ve been along side him have said. My mates dad who reffed when he was manager at barrow said he was vile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perth_white Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 5 hours ago, Wanderlust said: As mentioned earlier, we have recruited to play a specific style which is no longer working against the better teams and the make up of the squad makes us an unattractive proposition for any potential new manager who would prefer a different system. And having just spent a lot of money I can't see there being much if anything left in the kitty to make significant personnel changes in January which would make us even less of an attraction to an incumbent manager. I think this is personal opinion passing as fact. It's a good squad and could be implemented in just about any system. Footballers are adaptable and has been shown successfully in the past (by BSA) if you don't have a left back then identify someone with the right skill set to play that role within your system who is already at the club be they a left winger or centre forward. Front men play as wide men all the time. Defenders can adapt to midfield (Campo), defenders can adapt to centre forwards (Warhurst) and yes these examples are from decades ago because I'm not a football obsessive and watch little outside of highlights anymore so I've not really got contemporary examples. It's still football though and 442 or 451 or 433 or 532 or midfield diamonds etc can all be covered by talented footballers and we have those. Need a manager now who can mold them into a team and motivate that team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanderson93 Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 10 hours ago, DaveTheRave said: I mentioned after the last game when he sat looking at the floor for most of the second half that it looked like he was having a breakdown. After listening to his interview today it definitely seems like all is not well with him. Maybe he should just "man up". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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