New Poll - Evatt

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

12 minutes ago, Stig said:

His CV does look impressive on paper, but surely Championship clubs will dig a bit deeper.

I think you'd probably be surprised 

[royal white]

12 minutes ago, Stig said:

His CV does look impressive on paper, but surely Championship clubs will dig a bit deeper.

And that's where I'm struggling with him getting a championship job, unless he's going to fill the Scott Parker role of getting practically Premier League squads promoted to the Premier League. 

I just can't see him being tactically versatile enough for the championship.

 

If the likes of Micheal Appleton can continue getting decent jobs whilst not doing to much then I can’t see why Evatt can’t. 

[Stig]

1 minute ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I think you'd probably be surprised 

Fair enough. Unless Leeds want to give him a job I can't see him being successful with "smaller" championship clubs

[Kane57]

One promotion with Barrow and one with us, plus the Papa Johns cup.

Also wildly unpredictable in terms of interview and personality style, obviously a very intense person with a good few of skeletons in his closet from gambling problems to knob videos. Also had us in the bottom half at Christmas in League Two and has ballsed up two promotion attempts to the Champ. 

He's got Blackpool manager written all over him. At best. 

Edited September 15 by Kane57

[Compo]

Was told a couple of weeks ago by someone ITK IE has until the beginning of November to put things right, if not he’s out. So I’m not holding my breath for any announcements this week. 
 

Now I’ve said that, he’ll be gone this week. 

[Stevowanderer]

15 minutes ago, Compo said:

Was told a couple of weeks ago by someone ITK IE has until the beginning of November to put things right, if not he’s out. So I’m not holding my breath for any announcements this week. 
 

Now I’ve said that, he’ll be gone this week. 

I’ve been told this evening by someone usually pretty good on the ITK stuff that he’s gone today. ‘Mutual consent’. Can’t confirm it. Just what I’ve been told.

[Marc505]

21 minutes ago, Compo said:

Was told a couple of weeks ago by someone ITK IE has until the beginning of November to put things right, if not he’s out. So I’m not holding my breath for any announcements this week. 
 

Now I’ve said that, he’ll be gone this week. 

I would have fully agreed with that until yesterday, I think the whole mood of it will have made some minds up.

[wakey]

1 minute ago, Marc505 said:

I would have fully agreed with that until yesterday, I think the whole mood of it will have made some minds up.

yesterday definitely the final straw. I'd be amazed if it's not announced tomorrow.

[Kane57]

12 minutes ago, Stevowanderer said:

I’ve been told this evening by someone usually pretty good on the ITK stuff that he’s gone today. ‘Mutual consent’. Can’t confirm it. Just what I’ve been told.

Twitter ITKs are all over it 

[Roger_Dubuis]

12 minutes ago, Stevowanderer said:

I’ve been told this evening by someone usually pretty good on the ITK stuff that he’s gone today. ‘Mutual consent’. Can’t confirm it. Just what I’ve been told.

Hopefully Evatt resigned so the club don't have to pay up his contract to get rid.If that's the case along with the Arsenal gate receipts there will be a few quid in the pot to hire as high quality as possible

[Mantra]

The biggest annoyance is that we’ve given him cash to spaff again this summer and a new bloke coming in probably won’t want half of them next summer.

Here is our contracts situation from transfermarkt:-

Expiring June 2025:

Coleman, Baxter,

Santos, Cogley, Matheson, Williams, Jones,

Sheehan, Matete, Arfield.

 

Expiring June 2026:

southwood

johnston, forrester, tutu

Dempsey, Mendes-Gomes 

Charles, Adeboyejo 

 

Expiring June 2027:

Forino, Toal, Schon

thomason, McAtee, lolos 

Collins

 

[Marc505]

44 minutes ago, Kane57 said:

One promotion with Barrow and one with us, plus the Papa Johns cup.

Also wildly unpredictable in terms of interview and personality style, obviously a very intense person with a good few of skeletons in his closet from gambling problems to knob videos. Also had us in the bottom half at Christmas in League Two and has ballsed up two promotion attempts to the Champ. 

He's got Blackpool manager written all over him. At best. 

Football wise I think he could make a pretty convincing case about building a project from scratch, certainly at our level anyway. Wonder how much the off field stuff will be common knowledge in the game though and how much effect it has.

We've had him while he's been through a huge learning phase in his managerial career, learning on the job almost from scratch. So maybe in his next role he'll be better. He's so obviously going to wind up at Blackpool some day though!

[Casino]

However his leaving is described, he will be leaving with some/all his contract paid up

Naiive to think otherwise

This is football

[Stevowanderer]

1 minute ago, Roger_Dubuis said:

Hopefully Evatt resigned so the club don't have to pay up his contract to get rid.If that's the case along with the Arsenal gate receipts there will be a few quid in the pot to hire as high quality as possible

Can’t imagine he would resign and not take the payoff. There’s probably a set figure in his contract. Pretty sure someone said he borrowed 100k off the club to pay legal fees over the gambling issues too at one point but not sure how true it was. I was fully Evatt in until recently but Saturday definitely felt like the end. 

[Eddie]

2 minutes ago, Roger_Dubuis said:

Hopefully Evatt resigned so the club don't have to pay up his contract to get rid.If that's the case along with the Arsenal gate receipts there will be a few quid in the pot to hire as high quality as possible

In what world does someone walk away from guaranteed income? I’d go as far as saying I bet there hasn’t been a manager in the last 5 years that has left a club, without going to a new club, that hasn’t had a pay out.

Bigger question for me will be the settlement of the shares. I’d be intrigued to see the mechanism for that and the potential value. He’s got what, 2% ish? Based on the government covid loan settlement (valuing at £60m) that would be £1.2m of cash outflow that they’d rather not have, although that was a ridiculously good deal and we’re clearly not worth anywhere near that so I’d imagine it’s closer to half that - plus paying up his contract and any staff that are going with him. Probably close to £2m cash out before we even look at who comes in. Ouch

[jmjhb]

It'll be mutual consent

He probably needs some time off (for his sake), come back in spring when there are Championship jobs available

[Stevowanderer]

10 minutes ago, Marc505 said:

Football wise I think he could make a pretty convincing case about building a project from scratch, certainly at our level anyway. Wonder how much the off field stuff will be common knowledge in the game though and how much effect it has.

We've had him while he's been through a huge learning phase in his managerial career, learning on the job almost from scratch. So maybe in his next role he'll be better. He's so obviously going to wind up at Blackpool some day though!

I think as well on paper… he has improved us every season he’s been here. We were 90mins from promotion. Albeit we haven’t played that well since January. We scored a lot of goals as well. It really wouldn’t surprise me if he got another job quickly even in the champ. His philosophy is what most owners want nowadays even if we have struggled to implement it. That cup final hangover is real though and his position with us had become untenable. I think he’ll probably do pretty well somewhere else. Wherever that may be 

Edited September 15 by Stevowanderer

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, Stevowanderer said:

I think as well on paper… he has improved us every season he’s been here. 

I'm not sure it really works like that because it season is a different challenge in its own right, with the league having a different make up of clubs than the season before

It's aarguablethat leading us to a play-off semi-final defeat in his second season in this league was a greater achievement than losing out on automatic promotion, and then losing out on promotion via the play-offs, last season

[gonzo]

Seems hes a gonner.

Just didn't want it to end like this

[only1swanny]

2 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Seems hes a gonner.

Just didn't want it to end like this

more posting that on twitter?

[Kane57]

19 minutes ago, Marc505 said:

Football wise I think he could make a pretty convincing case about building a project from scratch, certainly at our level anyway. Wonder how much the off field stuff will be common knowledge in the game though and how much effect it has.

We've had him while he's been through a huge learning phase in his managerial career, learning on the job almost from scratch. So maybe in his next role he'll be better. He's so obviously going to wind up at Blackpool some day though!

Wigan fits 

[Casino]

14 minutes ago, Eddie said:

In what world does someone walk away from guaranteed income? I’d go as far as saying I bet there hasn’t been a manager in the last 5 years that has left a club, without going to a new club, that hasn’t had a pay out.

Bigger question for me will be the settlement of the shares. I’d be intrigued to see the mechanism for that and the potential value. He’s got what, 2% ish? Based on the government covid loan settlement (valuing at £60m) that would be £1.2m of cash outflow that they’d rather not have, although that was a ridiculously good deal and we’re clearly not worth anywhere near that so I’d imagine it’s closer to half that 

I k ow they are b shares, does that not reduce their value?

[Marc505]

1 minute ago, Kane57 said:

Wigan fits 

A case study in Stockholm Syndrome.

[Stevowanderer]

9 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I'm not sure it really works like that because it season is a different challenge in its own right, with the league having a different make up of clubs than the season before

It's aarguablethat leading us to a play-off semi-final defeat in his second season in this league was a greater achievement than losing out on automatic promotion, and then losing out on promotion via the play-offs, last season

I’m talking in relation to him getting another job. He can show on paper… promotion with barrow, then us… Then 9th,6th,3rd. Or whatever it was. I see what you are saying but he can go into any interview and say I was to play like this this and this and my record is this. Highest win percentage of any Bolton manager etc. He’s confident and speaks pretty well. Someone will take the punt. 
 

1 thing I can’t get my head around though is that he’s said multiple times his favourite formation is 433 and he’s not used it or recruited to use it. This 523/5221 has been a disaster in terms of being overrun in midfield.

Edited September 15 by Stevowanderer

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

2 minutes ago, Stevowanderer said:

I’m talking in relation to him getting another job. He can show on paper… promotion with barrow, then us… Then 9th,6th,3rd. Or whatever it was. I see what you are saying but he can go into any interview and say I was to play like this this and this and my record is this. Highest win percentage of any Bolton manager etc. He’s confident and speaks pretty well. Someone will take the punt. 
 

1 thing I can’t get my head around though is that he’s said multiple times his favourite formation is 433 and he’s not used it or recruited to use it. This 523/5221 has been a disaster in terms of being overrun in midfield.

Yeah, fair point

And I agree with your second paragraph