New Poll - Evatt

[victor meldrew]

2 minutes ago, victor meldrew said:

No, he doesn’t drink on a Monday 

Sorry just seen him in Westhoughton park with a bottle of hooch ( lemonade I think)

[Mutley]

They’ve missed Chris herd he was the glue and form has dipped massively since he left. Said at start of year if they stay up with this squad it’s been a decent season. 
 

only positive has been Scone he looks a prospect at full back but we do miss Randy Williams long throw. 
 

ta 

mutley 14

[Mutley]

Swim free Ducky - thanks for everything. 

[desperado]

55 minutes ago, Marc505 said:

I like the word craddock it has a good mouth feel.

Craddock. Craddock.

🤣

I think when we find out what it is he’s done it could become our very own verb;

To Craddock

”to undermine your football managers tactics”

his Cradocking was his downfall, there was no coming back once he Craddocked behind the managers back 

”to be observant in your line manager shagging his/her boss”

He was caught being a Craddock so there was no option he had to go.

Which could also be a noun “the silly Craddock” 

WTF am I going on about 🤣. This nonsense is sending me loopy. 

[Mutley]

Duck duck goosed. Thanks for everything #LD40. 
 

changes afoot. Mutley 

[Marc505]

21 minutes ago, desperado said:

🤣

I think when we find out what it is he’s done it could become our very own verb;

To Craddock

”to undermine your football managers tactics”

his Cradocking was his downfall, there was no coming back once he Craddocked behind the managers back 

”to be observant in your line manager shagging his/her boss”

He was caught being a Craddock so there was no option he had to go.

Which could also be a noun “the silly Craddock” 

WTF am I going on about 🤣. This nonsense is sending me loopy. 

Yeah, I came out of gym endorphins flowing and chatting shit about Craddock. It's subsided now, and I shan't be singing any songs about him 😃

[Johnnyrotten]

2 hours ago, gonzo said:

Players can say what they want.

They downed tools on Saturday 100%. It was clear as day.

 

Genuinely you think Tomo, Santos and Toal didn't try?  Some of these players (the 2 wingbacks, McAtee, Forinho etc) owe their very careers at this level to IE.  If anything they should be trying even harder, because if/when IE goes there is every chance they don't play for a club our size again, and their salaries won't ever be at this level.  Why wouldn't they stick with a manager that's signing/picking them.  I'd understand Forrester being fed up with him (or Iredale) but why would any player damage their career prospects on purpose? 

[woolli]

3 hours ago, Cheese said:

That sentence sums it all up. 😂 Name one of these "horrific" decisions?

Sticking with Evatt after Wembley!

[gonzo]

22 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Genuinely you think Tomo, Santos and Toal didn't try?  Some of these players (the 2 wingbacks, McAtee, Forinho etc) owe their very careers at this level to IE.  If anything they should be trying even harder, because if/when IE goes there is every chance they don't play for a club our size again, and their salaries won't ever be at this level.  Why wouldn't they stick with a manager that's signing/picking them.  I'd understand Forrester being fed up with him (or Iredale) but why would any player damage their career prospects on purpose? 

There's a difference between actually not running around and trying to being that detached and fully fucked off what it we are trying to execute it leads to being 2nd to every ball, not clearing lines, not sticking to instruction, giving lazy soft fouls and penalties away, making the wrong final ball decision and conceding 2 of the most calamitous goals you're ever likely to see on a football pitch.

That on sat was a gaggle of players completely shot at. Despondent, gutless and no idea.

Same as wembley.

[gonzo]

 

[Mannyroader]

2 hours ago, Hoppy said:

I Fanny cradock has a good feel

Craddock failed to deliver doughnuts just like Fanny's.

[Johnnyrotten]

47 minutes ago, gonzo said:

There's a difference between actually not running around and trying to being that detached and fully fucked off what it we are trying to execute it leads to being 2nd to every ball, not clearing lines, not sticking to instruction, giving lazy soft fouls and penalties away, making the wrong final ball decision and conceding 2 of the most calamitous goals you're ever likely to see on a football pitch.

That on sat was a gaggle of players completely shot at. Despondent, gutless and no idea.

Same as wembley.

I take your point, fair enough, but I don't agree that's the case. 

Firstly that was no worse than Wigan and Carlisle last season - look at those goals/pens conceded/total lack of chances created. Also, whenever I watch EFL (or even Prem) highlights, I see a few goals every week similar to the 4th goal - its modern shit football.  Bristol handed Blackburn a worse one on Saturday when it was 0-0 and Pickford seems to do that most months and still plays for England.  I agree with your last 2 sentences, but there's a difference between not being able to follow the "plan", and downing tools.  

[only1swanny]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

 

had avoided the first goal there..

That's a bunch of players who should know each other inside out and is quite possibly the sloppiest playing I've seen in a bolton shirt, no composure, even trying to clear it the wrong way..

Toal tries but seems to have gone backwards, 

[ianofcleveleys]

I didn't see any lack of effort on Saturday, what I did see was lack of confidence in themselves, each other and what they were being asked to do. I saw fear, manifesting itself in rushed, overhit or underhit passes, poor control, playing safe, passing on responsibility to a team mate. Pretty much as GT alluded to in his interview. Their reactions to the third goal showed me they cared but were evidently at a loss to understand what was going on. By the 4th they were just numb and praying for the final whistle. 

[desperado]

9 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said:

I didn't see any lack of effort on Saturday, what I did see was lack of confidence in themselves, each other and what they were being asked to do. I saw fear, manifesting itself in rushed, overhit or underhit passes, poor control, playing safe, passing on responsibility to a team mate. Pretty much as GT alluded to in his interview. Their reactions to the third goal showed me they cared but were evidently at a loss to understand what was going on. By the 4th they were just numb and praying for the final whistle. 

Very good description that.

As @Casino alluded to earlier, their heads have gone, including Evatt.

And that’s what’s so difficult to change, especially the way we play under Evatt.

I honestly think up until this point they have been together. The reactions at Orient, Shrewsbury and Barrow when we won at the full time whistle was one of togetherness.

I don’t think there’s been any attitude or effort problems, they’ve just struggled to play his way to the quality that’s required. 

But (and God I hope I’m wrong) if this talked about scapegoating, demoting and accusing proves to be true today then I can’t see a situation under the current regime where in-fighting won’t ensue.

Unless by some ridiculous turn of events he radically changes from this weekend and gets results or the curse of Craddock is lifted from everyone’s minds.

[Ani]

27 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said:

I didn't see any lack of effort on Saturday, what I did see was lack of confidence in themselves, each other and what they were being asked to do. I saw fear, manifesting itself in rushed, overhit or underhit passes, poor control, playing safe, passing on responsibility to a team mate. Pretty much as GT alluded to in his interview. Their reactions to the third goal showed me they cared but were evidently at a loss to understand what was going on. By the 4th they were just numb and praying for the final whistle. 

Very good summary.

The 3rd goal is comical because people are trying but there is no structure or control. I have mentioned before on here , the one time I spoke to Parky it was after we had won at Gillingham to end a shit run and he was saying the difference a win makes to a team is crazy if you can build confidence. 
 

Three or four times on Saturday we played balls to try and get the ball behind their full back when it was not on, just needed a simple ball to feet. People either are scared to play the difficult ball or the simple ball and end up doing neither quickly enough ( that sounds daft but makes sense I think 😂) 

What worries me now is that IE has come out and said he does not know what to do, the system does not work. Again said before we look 1 short in defence and 1 short in attack all the time. Teams can play in behind wing backs, and the wing backs are offering nothing to support midfield or attack. 
 

Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result is a recipe for disaster. 

[Greg_BWFC]

7 hours ago, Ani said:

Very good summary.

The 3rd goal is comical because people are trying but there is no structure or control. I have mentioned before on here , the one time I spoke to Parky it was after we had won at Gillingham to end a shit run and he was saying the difference a win makes to a team is crazy if you can build confidence. 
 

Three or four times on Saturday we played balls to try and get the ball behind their full back when it was not on, just needed a simple ball to feet. People either are scared to play the difficult ball or the simple ball and end up doing neither quickly enough ( that sounds daft but makes sense I think 😂) 

What worries me now is that IE has come out and said he does not know what to do, the system does not work. Again said before we look 1 short in defence and 1 short in attack all the time. Teams can play in behind wing backs, and the wing backs are offering nothing to support midfield or attack. 
 

Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result is a recipe for disaster. 

Exactly that re the system.

It really does seem neither one thing nor the other and hurts us at both ends of the pitch. 

[bwfc4ife]

10 hours ago, gonzo said:

 

That has got to be one of the shittest goals i've seen us concede. By my count we had 9 separate attempts to win/clear the ball in that melee. Absolute panic/bedlam in the box. As you say, heads gone completely. 

The whole things needs parking, putting to one side and focus on the basics. Solid at the back (possibly a 4), move the ball quickly and get balls into the box. It really is so over complicated.

[deeane Koontz]

14 hours ago, desperado said:

You know me I try to back the club/manager wherever I can. 

There’s so much as fans we don’t know/understand, so I often get irked when some like to think they know better.

But on occasions like this the second guessing and reaction to some of the stories/non-stories is natural as we are all emotionally invested.

So when we are reading about controversial decisions being made which seem pointless, gutless, avoiding the issue and anything but progressive, it’s as you say sending out shitty signals and making us look desperate.

I would love nothing more than a 5-0 win Saturday, which sparks an up turn in results (which would then throw a very strange light on Craddocks and an analysts negative input which needed ridding) 

But I’m past that happening now, surely everybody is. Those 2 aren’t the problem.  He’s not getting those players playing for him now, if anything these decisions will alienate some even more.

 

 

Was thinking the same.  Bet some were looking foward to him being fucked off as it's clear to all it's not working and he is the problem. Now they've made a couple of scapegoats and the issue still persists.

Should have just made a statement about backing him for a bit longer. Few would have liked it but it's a better look than this ridiculous situation.

 

 

[Johnnyrotten]

2 hours ago, Greg_BWFC said:

Exactly that re the system.

It really does seem neither one thing nor the other and hurts us at both ends of the pitch. 

Yes its incredible that we seem to have invented a pioneering new formation/system that renders us both impotent in attack and porous at the back.  We have neither wingers, full backs, creative midfielders or a physical striker and we are surprised we've scored the least goals in the bottom 2 divisions?  Whilst conceding for fun.  We've gone backwards at both ends of the pitch and we were already starting from a position in which we couldn't beat anyone decent, now we can't beat the next level down either.

[Dr. Feelgood]

This technical analyst they've sacked. How shite must he have been for all this season's woes.

[ianofcleveleys]

18 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Yes its incredible that we seem to have invented a pioneering new formation/system that renders us both impotent in attack and porous at the back.  We have neither wingers, full backs, creative midfielders or a physical striker and we are surprised we've scored the least goals in the bottom 2 divisions?  Whilst conceding for fun.  We've gone backwards at both ends of the pitch and we were already starting from a position in which we couldn't beat anyone decent, now we can't beat the next level down either.

The wins v Shrews and Barrow were only papering cracks over too, Shrews were truly awful and we only overcame Barrow after they took half their first choice back 4 off at half time then a couple more senior players after an hour. Even against L2 opposition the shape looked disjointed and full of vulnerabilities

[wakey]

2 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said:

 we only overcame Barrow after they took half their first choice back 4 off at half time then a couple more senior players after an hour. 

They did go a bit 2nd half of pre-season friendly to be fair.

Almost like they weren't arsed about the competition and wanted to focus on the league ...

[Wiso]

Whatever's happened, has happened I suppose. Surprised, and like others, not sure it's the right course of action. All I don't want to see is some sort of 'death by 100 cuts' where we keep tweaking after every defeat. Would rather one set of wholesale changes and see how things then turn out. Time will tell if the decision's right. My heart so wants it to be. My head says otherwise

 

[Ani]

6 minutes ago, Wiso said:

Whatever's happened, has happened I suppose. Surprised, and like others, not sure it's the right course of action. All I don't want to see is some sort of 'death by 100 cuts' where we keep tweaking after every defeat. Would rather one set of wholesale changes and see how things then turn out. Time will tell if the decision's right. My heart so wants it to be. My head says otherwise

 

And the problem is that first sign of a mistake, misplaced pass etc etc the nerves in the crowd and lack of confidence in the players gets multiplied. It is a recipe for disaster.

Maybe one of the saddest things is when we start expecting to concede and just shrug our shoulders. Bit like the players seem to do at the moment our on pitch reactions to conceding are awful