New Poll - Evatt

[Casino]

if the people who say it wasnt the injuries that killed us last year are correct, then do we look back to january and link it to the change of coach

evatt/markham picked him, so its on them, but it looked a very conservative appointment at the time

all guesswork as ive no idea if we had options

even so, it may well not be the coach, just we may have lost more than we realised

 

 

what isn't guesswork is that saturday cant be repeated many more times

as bad as we were, we lost  to 2 set pieces - first ones a belter second one is just shite

with what we have, we have to be able to create better chances (though we did miss a few, the charles/mcatee double miss was exceptionally shit and collins miss, dear god) and score 1 or 2 at home v bottom half of the table teams

 

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Casino said:

if the people who say it wasnt the injuries that killed us last year are correct, then do we look back to january and link it to the change of coach

evatt/markham picked him, so its on them, but it looked a very conservative appointment at the time

all guesswork as ive no idea if we had options

even so, it may well not be the coach, just we may have lost more than we realised

 

 

what isn't guesswork is that saturday cant be repeated many more times

as bad as we were, we lost  to 2 set pieces - first ones a belter second one is just shite

with what we have, we have to be able to create better chances (though we did miss a few, the charles/mcatee double miss was exceptionally shit and collins miss, dear god) and score 1 or 2 at home v bottom half of the table teams

 

Is it not the case that we started last season on fire and everyone thought we were shoe ins for promotion? But in that period even there were warning signs that if a team got it right against us there could be problems. Wigan for example. We then had a knack of always coming out the wrong side of the tight games. Portsmouth away. And struggling when teams started to dominate midfield.

I think what happened was injuries piled up but more fundamentally more and more teams started to work out how to stop us. Oxford got blasted at our place but changed their system from that point and knew in the final exactly how to stop us. Once teams found a way to stop us steamrolling them and make games tighter we looked much more vulnerable in general. 
 

For whatever reason we didn’t seem able to adapt from what we were doing early in the season which worked but stopped working to anything else. Whether that is down to Evatt and his ability or simply not really having the available players to make an effective change is up for debate. 

 

Edited September 2, 2024 by bwfcfan5

[onefinfrandsen]

3 minutes ago, Casino said:

if the people who say it wasnt the injuries that killed us last year are correct, then do we look back to january and link it to the change of coach

evatt/markham picked him, so its on them, but it looked a very conservative appointment at the time

all guesswork as ive no idea if we had options

even so, it may well not be the coach, just we may have lost more than we realised

 

 

what isn't guesswork is that saturday cant be repeated many more times

as bad as we were, we lost  to 2 set pieces - first ones a belter second one is just shite

with what we have, we have to be able to create better chances (though we did miss a few, the charles/mcatee double miss was exceptionally shit and collins miss, dear god) and score 1 or 2 at home v bottom half of the table teams

 

Thinking back to Jan/feb time there was some discussion on here about a feeling that something wasn’t quite right, maybe it was the change of coach and that’s why IE has brought another coach in over the summer.

[Rival Son]

2 minutes ago, Casino said:

as bad as we were, we lost  to 2 set pieces - first ones a belter second one is just shite

No thought that the 21 shots produced only 3 on target? While our poor defending of set pieces cost us one goal - the free kick would have beaten virtually every keeper playing on Saturday - our awful attacking play cost us about five at the other end.

I’ve said this many times amongst friends, but our large management and coaching staff is made up of ex-defenders and keepers. And we wonder why we can be inept going forward …

Allowing for the set pieces, Saturday should have been at least 4-2, with more positivity, decisiveness and clinical finishing. This coaching staff is incapable of delivering this. The players have to work it out for themselves!

[Casino]

1 minute ago, onefinfrandsen said:

Thinking back to Jan/feb time there was some discussion on here about a feeling that something wasn’t quite right, maybe it was the change of coach and that’s why IE has brought another coach in over the summer.

ive no idea, but no doubt about it, what i watched on saturday was unacceptable...what makes it worse is we still shouldve got something which shows how bad it was

i'm not over oxford yet and im sure theres a few round the club not over it

well, they need to snap out of it or go

players and/or management

[Casino]

2 minutes ago, Rival Son said:

No thought that the 21 shots produced only 3 on target? While our poor defending of set pieces cost us one goal - the free kick would have beaten virtually every keeper playing on Saturday - our awful attacking play cost us about five at the other end.

I’ve said this many times amongst friends, but our large management and coaching staff is made up of ex-defenders and keepers. And we wonder why we can be inept going forward …

Allowing for the set pieces, Saturday should have been at least 4-2, with more positivity, decisiveness and clinical finishing. This coaching staff is incapable of delivering this. The players have to work it out for themselves!

definitely, like i say, we still shouldn't have lost

collins, mcatee and charles misses were nowt to do with coaching, mind

 

[onefinfrandsen]

7 minutes ago, Casino said:

ive no idea, but no doubt about it, what i watched on saturday was unacceptable...what makes it worse is we still shouldve got something which shows how bad it was

i'm not over oxford yet and im sure theres a few round the club not over it

well, they need to snap out of it or go

players and/or management

If that is the case then maybe the club should bring a psychologist in, anything is worth trying it worked for big Sam. 

[CambridgeBWFC]

15 minutes ago, Rival Son said:

 

I’ve said this many times amongst friends, but our large management and coaching staff is made up of ex-defenders and keepers. And we wonder why we can be inept going forward …

 

Fine, but all these defenders haven't helped us defend well either, especially from set pieces!

[gonzo]

14 minutes ago, onefinfrandsen said:

If that is the case then maybe the club should bring a psychologist in, anything is worth trying it worked for big Sam. 

Steve Peters. He'd cost a bit like. 

[Cheese]

23 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Steve Peters. He'd cost a bit like. 

I've read The Chimp Paradox. It's childish nonsense. Might as well bring in Andi Peters.

Edited September 2, 2024 by Cheese

[DazBob]

8 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I've read The Chimp Paradox. Might as well bring in Andi Peters.

Sickening.

[thebells]

A few thoughts (sorry - something of an essay);

a. The board won't move him on yet. We're a stable club and that comes from consistency and backing people. They've backed him with money (professionally and personally) this summer and in the past, and he deserves the chance to show what he can do with that. 4 games isn't enough to judge! So far it has been disappointing for sure, but let's give the fella some space and time to prove what he can do. He's a huge part of the revival of our football club, and deserves more time. I can see the longer run of form, and of course there are concerns, but we don't need to panic yet. It's a long season.

b. I'm surprised it took so long for someone to mention the coaching aspect. Sam Hird left in Jan (I think) and form can be fairly closely linked to his departure. I'll stand by my view that the injuries to key players at the same time were the main reason we missed out last season, but the appointment of Crainey also has to be a clue about what's concerning people behind the scenes.

c. My two personal concerns with Evatt as follows. Firstly, his statement that he sat down in the dugout to stop himself from arguing with the fourth official and passing that tension on to his players. His emotions have always been a concern for me (other aspects of his life suggest he's a fairly impulsive person). He really should be able to control his emotions. Secondly, the reaction to last seasons Wembley defeat. This formation change, in my opinion, leaves the game too open in transitions and leaves us vulnerable. Szabolcs Schon doesn't seem to have a clue what his role is (ability still open to question too - he was selected by our new data partners) and, as I mentioned a week or so ago, two players were publicly criticising the changes. Evatt is now in a tricky position. He has to standby his decision to change formation - indeed, we have recruited specifically for it. Unfortunately, this may cost him.

 

Only the board will decide what happens next (I'd be amazed if Evatt resigns - he needs the money). I really want it to work out for him! Gut feeling however - we might be seeing the final weeks. A few tricky results and they'll have to consider what happens next. I'll be gutted for Evatt and Sharon if that's the case - they really have brought our club back from oblivion. None of us should forget that however the Evatt reign unfolds in the coming weeks.

[Zico]

1 hour ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I agree with you, if IE stays, at what stage do we say its working?  Top 6, top 3?  That's a long way off even with a great run.  

Being pedantic I know, but there was nothing wrong with Jan.  The bad run either started in December (the only time 2 consecutive defeats included one at home) or Feb (clearly our worst month).  I hear that we were poor from Jan a lot but we won 3 out of 4 in Jan and also had those good performances v Luton. 

It was the draws that did for us, 3 before Feb, 9 afterwards.  But not comparing like for like as not only were the fixtures tougher generally but we had the fixture backlog/postponements on top.

In my mind it started with Blackpool and Wigan

[L/H White]

this is our 4th season in this league 

we messed the playoff semi up against Barnsley, and bottled the final last year 

he's lucky we've such understanding owners, I'm not sure he'd still have a job elsewhere 

celling firmly reached with him

Edited September 2, 2024 by L/H White

[Ani]

51 minutes ago, Casino said:

definitely, like i say, we still shouldn't have lost

collins, mcatee and charles misses were nowt to do with coaching, mind

 

He stuck with 5 at the back when we needed not only goals but also pressure, whatever you think of the system we never have periods of sustained pressure. 

Also if he did just sit there with his head in his hands what is his function ? Imagine someone at your work at the very busiest time just gave up. Might explain if he was not fully focussed his fucking substitutions, more like for like 

His head must be fucked, he admitted it was after Oxford, he still seems lost. I would argue even for his own mental health it is time to put him out of his misery. 
 

We have spunked a fortune for this level on Collins, McAtee and Schon (or Schone) none of whom are playing 90 minutes. Schon in particular looks lost. 
 

Serious question - what formation did we start with Saturday ? Was Dempsey playing a forward role with Collins and Big Vic on the bench ? Or did we have 3 in midfield ? I honestly do not know. Our formation is 5 at the back and then 5 anywhere else. 
 

I said to you on train back to Stevenage he had lost it. But fully appreciate FV are doing things differently so sacking him on the back of a few results is unlikely but how long do you leave it ? I would love to be proved wrong.

One final question, in League 2 we need certain players, as we progressed the players we need has changed and the level increased , why does that not apply to manager.

One final observation, if we are playing 3 up front Dapo would IMO be a better option than anyone we currently have at the club.

[gonzo]

31 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I've read The Chimp Paradox. It's childish nonsense. Might as well bring in Andi Peters.

Well his work with various sports stars is pretty well documented.

Regardless of you're thoughts on his book.

Quite ironic as you've probably got the biggest inner chimp on planet earth

[gonzo]

16 minutes ago, Zico said:

In my mind it started with Blackpool and Wigan

Aye that was when it all went to shit. Nevermind the Oxford game, we never recovered from those defeats.

Remember commenting at the time how cataclysmic results like that can be. 

We haven't been the same since. Evatts head firmly went after them and he lost all his confidence in his players and probably vice versa.

[Lancaster18]

Big Sam?
Slim chance but more than people would think. Been a while since he was at Leeds.

[Ani]

3 minutes ago, Lancaster18 said:

Big Sam?
Slim chance but more than people would think. Been a while since he was at Leeds.

I can not imagine how long my list would have to be before I considered him. 

[Cheese]

6 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Well his work with various sports stars is pretty well documented.

Regardless of you're thoughts on his book.

Quite ironic as you've probably got the biggest inner chimp on planet earth

He's helped Ronnie O'Sullivan and a few athletes. Hardly the sharpest tools in the box.

Humans don't have an "inner chimp". Our common ancestor died out 7 million years ago.

[Johnnyrotten]

21 minutes ago, Zico said:

In my mind it started with Blackpool and Wigan

They were 2 bad performances obviously, but what we don't know is if they would have been any different if we'd played them in December.  I'm guessing not, there's a pattern to our results at better teams.

Those 2 weren't worse than losing at home to Carlisle, Bristol & Wigan, but playing two tough local derbies away in 4 days was a one off.  It didn't prompt a bad run - we scored 11 goals in the next 4 games and conceded 4.  Then we played Derby and lost, like we would have whenever it had been played (this season or any other!).

[Stig]

22 minutes ago, Ani said:

One final question, in League 2 we need certain players, as we progressed the players we need has changed and the level increased , why does that not apply to manager.

One final observation, if we are playing 3 up front Dapo would IMO be a better option than anyone we currently have at the club.

These 2 points are spot on.

And on the second one it's not just Dapo, we've gone to a front 3 at exactly the point we seem least equipped to do it. We've previously had Dapo and Sadlier who specialise in that wide striker role in a front 3, and Bod who would be better than anything we have now in the central striker role.

[gonzo]

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

He's helped Ronnie O'Sullivan and a few athletes. Hardly the sharpest tools in the box.

Humans don't have an "inner chimp". Our common ancestor died out 7 million years ago.

See. That's your inner chimp speaking.

Tell him to stop downplaying sports people having mental health issues and seeking help.

[Stig]

1 minute ago, Johnnyrotten said:

They were 2 bad performances obviously, but what we don't know is if they would have been any different if we'd played them in December.  I'm guessing not, there's a pattern to our results at better teams.

Those 2 weren't worse than losing at home to Carlisle, Bristol & Wigan, but playing two tough local derbies away in 4 days was a one off.  It didn't prompt a bad run - we scored 11 goals in the next 4 games and conceded 4.  Then we played Derby and lost, like we would have whenever it had been played (this season or any other!).

We've somehow ended up with the same 2 fixtures within 4 days this season too. That is as tough as it gets really

[gonzo]

7 minutes ago, Stig said:

We've somehow ended up with the same 2 fixtures within 4 days this season too. That is as tough as it gets really

That Stockport fixture looks rather ominous

That could turn pretty nasty if we get a thumping there.