Huddersfield Town (H)

[only1swanny]

Claims he can't change the tactics because we don't have the players, players he's recruited in the past few months, 

Some are just shocking signings and we're not stronger for them, 

[Ratwhite]

50 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I just feel really sad. 

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[Johnnyrotten]

2 hours ago, paulhanley said:

The time is now Sharon. No debate. No shade of doubt. It's painfully obvious to everyone. Make the decision. 

Its just annoying that we knew it after Oxford, everyone did.  Not being wise after the event, and not because of one defeat but the undoubtable, tried and trusted failure to win against half decent teams and the stubborness, inability to change tactics.  So now we've wasted 4 months minimum and about £2 million (more if you count refusing to sell Vic).  The season isn't over but we've chosen loyalty and "not panicking" over giving ourselves a chance of competing this season.  Its going to cost us a fortune to get this squad back to even where it was 2 years ago.

[Ratwhite]

46 minutes ago, Rival Son said:

He’s been nearly as successful as Phil Neal. Scraped promotion out of the fourth tier, took us to two playoffs, one a final loss and one a semi, and won a Football League trophy, before tailing off in his 4th attempt to get us out of the third tier.

An identical record but he had had much greater backing and resources than Neal, in better times, and considerably better facilities (stadium and training ground) than 35 years ago.

if massive success is “not as good as Phil Neal” then your bar is lower than a limbo dancer’s!

we need a Bruce Rioch………

[Greg_BWFC]

Ok, first time in the ground for me this season (so blame me 😁).

Chatting with the folks I sit with and one was saying it was a must win.

I said yeah, we want a win but if we play a great game and lose to a better team, that's OK.

But that was abject, nothing less.

I could get onto the manager now, but first thing.

The players have to look at themselves. 

Not for the first team (far from it), their heads just drop and they throw in the towel with plenty of time left in the game.

Ok, they aren't winning the game from 3 down but ffs, look like you are trying.

They are getting paid for this.

So weak mentally, and this is the bit that comes from the manager. 

[Matt Lofthouse]

19 minutes ago, tomski said:

13 in 41

Wow didn’t realise it was that bad mate. 

[barrycowdrill]

That Oxford defeat is this squads stoke moment. The scars run deep for some and it was his job to demonstrate that it was a complete one off everyone blew their own fucking brains out type of day and it would never happen again. Instead we’ve got an even meaker and milder version of that side with a fella who is chucking everyone under the bus as the reason as to why without looking in the mirror. His short management career has so far been on a constant upward  trajectory. He’s never faced big criticism, people on his back and questioning him and he quite clearly does not know how to deal with it. You start having a pop at “outside the club” and you’re signing your own death warrant and I think in a way he wants to. 

[tomski]

Don’t pussy out again Bolton. Make the announcement 

[JimmyRiddle]

46 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Genuine question, did you watch the 1st half?  Without Santos we'd have been 4 down at H-T never mind F-T.  I remember saying those not at the game will just see the goal and blame Santos, and ignore everything else he did.  Defending, intercepting, passing, composure especially in 1st half was outstanding, but he'll just get pelters again because we lost heavily.  On a similar note Matete was superb, but his record is started one game, lost 0-4.  They are surrounded by mediocrity and poor tactics.

I was at the game, and don't dispute what you say, but it matters not.

A centre half's fundamental job is to mark a centre forward and to stop goals, and to not even challenge for that header a minute before half time negates anything else.

I'd be going mad in a Sunday league if my defenders got beat that easily.

He just doesn't react quickly to stuff going on around him, they go on about some players have the first yard in their head. Santos is the opposite for me, and should not be captain.

 

[Big E]

I can’t believe people were arguing about him going. Absolute madness 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Yes, seems a bit that way Baz.

A bit of an admission that he needs some help maybe. 

Ultimately, it's his job to lift that dark mood, and he's been backed well to achieve that.

He could do worse than look at his own stubbornness, with formations, style, and personnel on the pitch. Oh and injuries. 

 

 

[Johnnyrotten]

2 hours ago, barrycowdrill said:

The clock is ticking and fast. Feel it’s now only a matter of when rather than if so it’s up to someone to make the call. 
 

can’t think of many occasions where someone has turned a situation around after that type of performance and the crowd actively singing for him to go.
 

He looked lost on the touchline today and the players look like they’ve stopped listening. 
 

the in game management is non existent. After 10 minutes you could see our midfield 2 were outnumbered and that’s where they were controlling the game from. Hardly rocket science to drop Dempsey in there and go to 2 up top. But he persisted with allowing Thomasson and Mateta to get overran and it slowly but surely killed us. Then when he does realise it we’re already 3 down. 
 

the forward lads are being hung out to try by him with what I can only describe as an illness now of stringing balls along the back line when they are nowhere near good enough and yet again crumble when someone sticks it on them. 
 

the 3rd and 4th goals typify everything we’re are about, weak and scared to get hurt then obsessed with a certain approach but neither good or smart enough to deliver it. 
 

we’ve hit a ceiling and so has he. 

Can't argue with any of that, good summing up.  Re the crowd chanting, that was the Huddersfield fans.  If any Bolton joined in it must have been a few dozen taking the opportunity to have something to join in with, there was hardly anyone in the ground by then for a start.  I mention that because it comes across that our fans were being disrespectful to IE which he doesn't deserve, and in reality yet again the fans were supportive and patient until at least 2-0 down, then silent.  Our home crowd doesn't do vitriol against our own as a general rule.

[Stig]

7 minutes ago, Greg_BWFC said:

Ok, first time in the ground for me this season (so blame me 😁).

Chatting with the folks I sit with and one was saying it was a must win.

I said yeah, we want a win but if we play a great game and lose to a better team, that's OK.

But that was abject, nothing less.

I could get onto the manager now, but first thing.

The players have to look at themselves. 

Not for the first team (far from it), their heads just drop and they throw in the towel with plenty of time left in the game.

Ok, they aren't winning the game from 3 down but ffs, look like you are trying.

They are getting paid for this.

So weak mentally, and this is the bit that comes from the manager. 

Heads dropping and throwing in the towel is based on the type of players we've recruited and how the manager is training them. As you say your last paragraph. 

They've been taught to turn up and play their pre rehearsed patterns of play and can't think for themselves once it starts going wrong in game, because the whole style is about sticking to these pre rehearsed patterns.

Anyway, based on his interviews post match I'd says Evatt wants out. He just can't financially afford to walk away, he needs a decent compensation package from the owners.

[Hoppy]

There are a lot of team's at the moment on 7 points so we are not far behind the chasing pack but our -7 goal difference means we are going to beat a few teams 3-0 to get to the top of that pack and challenge for a play off place question is can IE do it

[Greg_BWFC]

1 minute ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Can't argue with any of that, good summing up.  Re the crowd chanting, that was the Huddersfield fans.  If any Bolton joined in it must have been a few dozen taking the opportunity to have something to join in with, there was hardly anyone in the ground by then for a start.  I mention that because it comes across that our fans were being disrespectful to IE which he doesn't deserve, and in reality yet again the fans were supportive and patient until at least 2-0 down, then silent.  Our home crowd doesn't do vitriol against our own as a general rule.

There were plenty of ours started to join in with that chant.

[Zico]

Folk are comparing to Neal 

That was just before my time 

But it does remind me of Todd 

Had a good team, played some great stuff, but didn't turn up at Wembley and then didn't recover

[onefinfrandsen]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

I just feel really sad. 

Yep that’s the over riding feeling I have, he came so close to getting us up last season and like the rest of us it’s maybe taken its toll. Not sure there’s any coming back from this . 

[Johnnyrotten]

2 minutes ago, JimmyRiddle said:

I was at the game, and don't dispute what you say, but it matters not.

A centre half's fundamental job is to mark a centre forward and to stop goals, and to not even challenge for that header a minute before half time negates anything else.

I'd be going mad in a Sunday league if my defenders got beat that easily.

He just doesn't react quickly to stuff going on around him, they go on about some players have the first yard in their head. Santos is the opposite for me, and should not be captain.

 

Fair comments in that its a considered opinion/analysis, and you saw the whole game. I've no intention of watching the goals back so I'll take your word for the poor defending.  Its just ironic that he does stuff 90% of our team can only dream about while Charles, Schon and Tomo are like kids playing against adults, yet one time a good striker beats him to the ball after a cross we could only dream about, and he's the bad 'un.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

It's a minor point

But it didn't look like a penalty to me

[barrycowdrill]

6 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Can't argue with any of that, good summing up.  Re the crowd chanting, that was the Huddersfield fans.  If any Bolton joined in it must have been a few dozen taking the opportunity to have something to join in with, there was hardly anyone in the ground by then for a start.  I mention that because it comes across that our fans were being disrespectful to IE which he doesn't deserve, and in reality yet again the fans were supportive and patient until at least 2-0 down, then silent.  Our home crowd doesn't do vitriol against our own as a general rule.

There was plenty in the ESL to be fair. Even before that lot started it. Usual suspects of course but it doesn’t matter, once it starts it’s nigh on impossible to stop. His comments afterwards will only antagonise further 

[Blondi]

Can we not fuck Evatt off and bring in Warnock until the end of the season, Warnock would give this lot a good kick up the arse.

[victor meldrew]

6 minutes ago, Hoppy said:

There are a lot of team's at the moment on 7 points so we are not far behind the chasing pack but our -7 goal difference means we are going to beat a few teams 3-0 to get to the top of that pack and challenge for a play off place question is can IE do it

what do you think, honestly 

personally i'd call you a moon man.

[superkev]

5 minutes ago, Blondi said:

Can we not fuck Evatt off and bring in Warnock until the end of the season, Warnock would give this lot a good kick up the arse.

No, that would be even shitter. The season is not dead yet, but someone like warnock would end it for me

Edited September 14, 2024 by superkev

[only1swanny]

11 minutes ago, Hoppy said:

There are a lot of team's at the moment on 7 points so we are not far behind the chasing pack but our -7 goal difference means we are going to beat a few teams 3-0 to get to the top of that pack and challenge for a play off place question is can IE do it

No. He can't

 

 

He's admitted today he doesn't have the players to try another tactic, and his plans not working. 

[Stig]

1 hour ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Genuine question, did you watch the 1st half?  Without Santos we'd have been 4 down at H-T never mind F-T.  I remember saying those not at the game will just see the goal and blame Santos, and ignore everything else he did.  Defending, intercepting, passing, composure especially in 1st half was outstanding, but he'll just get pelters again because we lost heavily.  On a similar note Matete was superb, but his record is started one game, lost 0-4.  They are surrounded by mediocrity and poor tactics.

I agree that Santos does some very good stuff, but he switches off way too often and then negates the good stuff he's done.

It's like goalies, can make 10 good saves but then let in 1 howler and they've had a bad game. 

But tbh Santos is nowhere near our biggest issue. Play him as an out and out defender and keep the ball away from him as much as possible with some proper attacking play and maybe he'd be a bit fresher to just focus on not losing his man. Trying to play him as some kind of league one Baresi is crazy.